Credit cards are being hit for AZ elk and antelope!

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Zim

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cmbbulldog said:
Congrats Ken. I too am headed down to AZ this year.
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Congrats what unit? Anybody know if the moisture is good down that way so far?

I still am honestly just stunned so many people 466 either don't know how to use a calculator, or failed to make the effort, or are just plain delusional. There are no longer anywhere near enough tags available in the preference pass for them to draw one of the top tier units within 20 years. There's just not. That figures in all weapon hunts. Go figure.
 
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cmbbulldog

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Zim said:
Congrats what unit? Anybody know if the moisture is good down that way so far?

I still am honestly just stunned so many people 466 either don't know how to use a calculator, or failed to make the effort, or are just plain delusional. There are no longer anywhere near enough tags available in the preference pass for them to draw one of the top tier units within 20 years. There's just not. That figures in all weapon hunts. Go figure.
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Same unit as before. Moisture around Flagstaff is above average, so should be a good year. Not sure what the White Mountains look like, but I think its been a decent winter across all of AZ. With the late dates, should be a great year to have a tag.
 
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cmbbulldog said:
Same unit as before. Moisture around Flagstaff is above average, so should be a good year. Not sure what the White Mountains look like, but I think its been a decent winter across all of AZ. With the late dates, should be a great year to have a tag.
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Yes I love the late dates. We battled the heat last time in 2002.
 
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WapitiBob

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As I mentioned before, the average hunters, who are also the majority, have no clue how the draws work and how their points play into that. They also don't take the time to dig down and find out exactly how long it might take to draw that tag.
I ran the numbers for a guy on another site; it will take 15 years to clean out the nr apps with 14 or more points for unit 9 archery if every tag came from those point pools. I'm confident that the majority of those 14 point and up applicants have no clue about the wait they're looking at.
 
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WapitiBob said:
As I mentioned before, the average hunters, who are also the majority, have no clue how the draws work and how their points play into that. They also don't take the time to dig down and find out exactly how long it might take to draw that tag.
I ran the numbers for a guy on another site; it will take 15 years to clean out the nr apps with 14 or more points for unit 9 archery if every tag came from those point pools. I'm confident that the majority of those 14 point and up applicants have no clue about the wait they're looking at.
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That's why I'm happy there are guys like you figuring this stuff out! I have no interest in studying the ins and outs of how different states draws, points system work. I want to go hunting not study statistics! So thank you for what you do and for helping guys out. I've seen you help in a lot of different threads.
 
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Zim said:
Congrats what unit? Anybody know if the moisture is good down that way so far?

I still am honestly just stunned so many people 466 either don't know how to use a calculator, or failed to make the effort, or are just plain delusional. There are no longer anywhere near enough tags available in the preference pass for them to draw one of the top tier units within 20 years. There's just not. That figures in all weapon hunts. Go figure.
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What am I missing? How do you know how many people applied , with how many points, for the unit you were drawn for?
 
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WapitiBob said:
As I mentioned before, the average hunters, who are also the majority, have no clue how the draws work and how their points play into that. They also don't take the time to dig down and find out exactly how long it might take to draw that tag.
I ran the numbers for a guy on another site; it will take 15 years to clean out the nr apps with 14 or more points for unit 9 archery if every tag came from those point pools. I'm confident that the majority of those 14 point and up applicants have no clue about the wait they're looking at.
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I don't think all of them are clueless to the wait or how the draw works...many apply knowing they are very unlikely to draw for lots of reasons.

Some are waiting to retire, some may hunt elk in a couple three states each year and its not that important for them to hunt Arizona more often, etc. etc. Some just caught in the point trap, where they have too many to burn on lower tier hunts, but not enough for the glory tags.

I do agree its important to have a strategy, reason, and understanding of why you're even bothering to apply, in any State.
 
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