Colorado Leftover Watch

[ColoradoV]

Man slippery slope here...

Flaunt lets call a spade a spade here - you are worried with one thing only and that is putting $$$ in your own pocket. Nothing more you are not out to help anyone - you are out to make money plain and simple... Insulting to say you are doing this for family and the poor folks who just cant seem to work the inet. You are doing it to make money own it........

Next I wonder if you will answer a few questions about yourself and the app..

#1. This is very important! Will you please post your real name, home address, cell number, IP addresses you frequent, and browsing habits? As that is exactly what you are asking of every single person that uses your app.... Can I sell your information as I choose? You are not leveling the playing field as someone will have to give their information to you to sell or do as you choose or they will be at a distinct disadvantage if they do not choose to trust you with the above information. SO WHO ARE YOU??

#2. Is your app/software reading the CPW list as it is dropped or are you getting it sent to you by the cpw in advance? How is your software doing this?

#3. As anyone knows - the real $$ in apps is selling the users information/data/browsing habits after they sign up and most buyers have no idea you are collecting this data.. When and how will you complete this? If you sell your company will you sell all the users data to the new owners to do literally what ever they choose with this info? How much information will you gather and how long will you keep this information on any given user? Will you keep this tracking after a customer deletes that app or will you keep it?

#4. I wonder out loud who will get this list first? Or lots of real easy ways to manipulate who gets the list and when. Maybe just a few guys in a few units get the info first right flaunt? Or real real easy to have a "VIP" list of folks who get it just a min or 2 bit the rest of the stiffs out there. Or just these guys get the 49 archery tag no way to tell as the tag is poof gone as soon as it is taken.... Simple hustle to make sure as you say you and your - friends and family have the best shot at tags. Also no way to police such activities we just have to trust - you a faceless "ap" creator who wants all our info but not willing to give yours eh flaunt....

#5. Can you please elaborate as to your "partnership" with the CPW.. In what ways is the CPW helping as this should be very transparent. It seems the only fair way to do a app is not a pay to play but a notification system set up and run by the CPW... I wonder why they cant do this in house with all the extra $$ they made off the increased apps this year. Do you plan to sell your ap to the cpw?

#6. Do you feel your advertising is truthful as I feel it is a hustle - where very few if any of your users will get a tag.. Lets use 49 elk archery for example.. Nearly impossible to be fast enough as is and when you have 20, 40, 200, or 1000 more guys jumpin on line in reality none of them have a chance. This is not what you are advertising but is what will happen. How do you think this is helping anyone other than you cashin in?

#7. Has the cpw offered you a monopoly? OR are there more than just your app out there this year?

#8 What safeguards are in place to ensure that you are not giving the list to your "vip" clients first, what are in place to protect users info, and if hacked how will you notify users that there data was lost. Is your plan to follow users around the internet after you take the info.

#9. Will you openly share how many people are looking for each code at any given time? Real easy to list in real time w no names only stats and then transparent as to how many guys just got that text on any given unit on any given day that any user can look up... Or are you planing on keeping that to YOURSELF as to hide the real infinitesimal odds. Or flat out will your app be transparent? How will you achieve this transparency?

#10. Will anyone be excluded or removed for your app for any reason? Will it be fair or will you pick and choose again who gets the info when...


Crazy to think but I got on here to put up a scouting 2018 thread FOR FREE?? I mean FOR FREE!!!!! I have to wonder why?? I mean I am not getting paid and why would I advertise for your ap for free?? Or I guess I just dont feel comfortable posting scouting pics for you to advertise on until you answer some questions.. Guess it is a sign of the time but pry time for me just to stop posting on the net for free and start selling where these bucks live as it is all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ right flaunt?

 

[Winchester]

Are you sure you're not undercover Bernie? Sounds like socialism at it's finest. "Level the playing field", make it "fair" for everyone. Do I get a participation trophy if I try and get a leftover on this app and it doesn't work? Money back guarantee if it doesn't work? I'll pay later when my gov't check comes in? Sheeesh things like this get on my nerves

Wow, I don't even know how to respond.
I say that I believe everyone should have a fair shot at the tags and you accuse me of being a Bernie/socialist?
That's pretty much the most uncalled for response I've read on here for a long time.
This forum has a great reputation for everyone being respectful to each other.
Try to keep things civil please.

 

[CoHiCntry]

Wow, I don't even know how to respond.
I say that I believe everyone should have a fair shot at the tags and you accuse me of being a Bernie/socialist?
That's pretty much the most uncalled for response I've read on here for a long time.
This forum has a great reputation for everyone being respectful to each other.
Try to keep things civil please.

I don’t think he was replying to you... he was replying to the OP.

 

[CODAK]

Winchester: Not aimed at you!! The OP just got on my nerves, touchy subject for a lot of us

 

[hunter25]

It never crossed my mind this would be such a controversial topic. Or that the leftover list was so competitive. I've never actually purchased a leftover other than doe tags years ago. And I waited in line for those.



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[Winchester]

CODAK (& CoHiCtry),
Thank you gentlemen.
Sorry I misunderstood your intent.
This is exactly the kind of cordial exchange I'm used to seeing on this forum.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Looks like we agree that we do not think very highly of this app.
Thx.

 

[Fauntleroy]

Wow, let me take this one step at a time.

ColoradoV, you bring up a lot of good points given the socioeconomic climate our society is experiencing right now. Particularly within the mobile app industry that I find myself venturing into and the collection/sale of end user data. For starters I'm sorry that you and a few others find it so egregious that I'm attempting to profit off this. I have no other way to express to you that while yes this is a for profit venture, we really are trying to get information out to people who otherwise would not receive it.

As for the app itself we will only be collecting emails (mines [email protected]) to establish individual accounts and to avoid any liability from the concerns you've already raised. That's my way of saying that I have/had the same concerns you do, so I'm glad we're on the same page. We will not be collecting names, DOB, credit card information (that will be done by Google Play and the Apple store as I don't want to even sniff that liability) or anything else. Period. Certainly not your IP address. I absolutely, positively will not be selling any information and will strictly generate revenue from the $9.95 yearly subscription fee and maybe a few advertising spots we might be able to generate. Of that $0.50 will be donated to the Rocky Mountain Bighorn Society because I was on the Board for awhile, I love sheep, and this is a cool way for me to afford giving back. I hadn't even considered selling the venture until you pointed it out, but if i did i imagine the buyer would expect those emails to go with the sale. I'd like to think that I would only sell to a like minded partner, but from reading some comments on this thread you've even got me thinking I'm a little on the nefarious side and might sell out to Facebook.

At no point have I ever advertised a "partnering" with the CPW. I have been working with them in order to avoid any legal liabilities and am only doing what they have made clear that I can do. They will NOT be sending me the list in advance of anyone else. I will be playing by the same rules as everyone else, just quit a bit more efficiently. As for a "VIP" list of people, it was never even considered outside of recognizing that I could charge more for something like that if I was so inclined, which I am not. If you are watching for that particular hunt code than you along with anyone else on the app that might be watching for that hunt code will get sent the same notification, at the same time. No one user (or group of users) will be sent anything prior to any other user (or group of users) looking for the same information.

Yes, the CPW administrators like the idea and think it's a great service for their customer base, but at this time creating the service themselves was not something they are wanting to do given an array of other projects that they are tackling right now. Nothing would make me happier than to partner with the CPW next year and provide this service for a highly reduced cost, if not free, as is the standard life cycle of ventures like this (charge for the service till it can be done for free through advertising revenue, hopefully sooner rather than later). Plenty of other services monitoring this list, but charging quit a bit more.

As far as the truthfulness of my advertising, I'm most definitely not claiming to change the world here. I'm never going to claim that this will get you that tag you've been waiting decades on that ended up on the leftover list. It’s a tool to alert those who are interested in a tag’s availability. No one is being guaranteed anything except the information that the tag is available. Nothing more, nothing less. I've created this tool for those of us that don't have the time to refresh the list over and over everyday, and still want a shot at one of thousands of reissued tags. For my dad banging nails on a jobsite, my buddy sitting in a scraper, and my brother long hauling cross country, this tool most definitely levels the playing field as they will never have the time to watch that list the way you need to in order to stand a chance at those tags.

I understand the sentiment many hold that it's wrong to make a profit in this manner and that I'm not gonna make everyone happy. My only hope is that I don't get misrepresented as some nefarious Scrooge McBernie out to drain our wildlife dry. For those of you that use the app, let's have some fun and hopefully this ends with people putting tags in their hands!

 

[CoHiCntry]

Fauntleroy... I said earlier that I'm not a fan of the idea simply because it's just another pay to play scheme. That being said, I'm not gonna beat you up over it. Some of the replies have been a little ruthless and over the top IMO. I'm sure you'll get plenty of business as everyone's looking to get a leg up on the competition so to speak. I would like to give you kudos for donating some of the profits to RMBS though.. good on you for doing that!

 

[ColoradoV]

Cohi I dont feel that I am beating him up and I would call him by his name but he will not even tell us his name... Kinda hard to feel good or trust a business when ANY business owner hides and will not tell you who they are.. First sign they are hiding quite a lot.

SO FOR THE SECOND TIME FLAUNT WHO ARE YOU OR WHY DONT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE TELLING FOLKS WHO YOU ARE CHARGING WHO YOU ARE... A email that can be changed in all of 5 seconds is well scapegoat at best..

I know you are not partnering with the CPW as if you did it would be a government supported monopoly and against a lot of real good rules..

Then more of my poor family well bud a lot of folks work just as hard if not harder as your poor underprivileged family.. Here is a idea maybe if they worked harder and made the commitment they would have gotten a tag.. Most folks who cant check a list pry will not put in the time to hunt either as they are just too overworked and traveling way too far right?

Now seeing you answered basically none the questions well kinda one and maybe another but I will restate them in the hope maybe you will but I plan on taking you to task on this as you should want to clear this all up - if you are as honest as you say.

#1 REAL NAME if this is not to difficult...

#3 went unanswered so PLEASE POST YOUR PRIVACY POLICY - very easy cut and paste it would tell us all what you plan to keep and track as so far you have told us to trust you a faceless email.. SO do you even have a privacy policy if so very easy???

#4. Not answered or maybe by by just trust me?? No oversight, no records, no way to know... Makes me feel good that with no way to track - well it is easy but you will not give the information about who got what info when.

#5. You are not working with the CPW they have not offered a monopoly and there will be other players soon yep got it you have noting to do w cpw but try to mimic their advertising. Got it crystal clear and honest....

#6. I dont know but I will come back w some simple cut and past but you are IMO pushing that grey area into a pretty black shade with what your are promising.. Or can you anwser - what is the % of people who buy your app will get a tag? 2%??? 5%?? We all know it will be very low but I see no truthfulness in you advertising here. You paint a very untruthful and rosy picture. AGAIN WHAT PERCENTAGE DO YOU THINK WILL GET A TAG. I know you dont care as you only care about how many apps you sell at any cost - but your customers should know.....

#8. There are no safeguards in place, no oversight, and no stats on when who got the list so again very black shade of gray here.

#9. WHY WILL YOU NOT GIVE THE STATS IN REAL TIME OF HOW MANY EMAILS JUST WENT OUT FOR A UNIT??? Again very easy and NO DOUBT shows you are hiding what your app does. Or why not give the stats out? SO AGAIN WILL YOU OR WILL YOU NOT POST THE STATS ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR EACH UNIT??

#10 Unanwsered...

Man flaunt if you were taking a test you got about a 30% or less on it well below a reasonable grade. Now we look forward to you not side stepping but answering the questions - as if you are as honest as you say it should not be a problem if you are not well I guess we will get more side stepping and sob stories about how rough it is on your family.

Looking forward to more conversation with you about your app. As again I spent my inet time on arguing with a hustler - so the scouting thread will have to wait or someone else should just start it this year as while I am seeing some great animals - I doubt I will have the time to contribute.

 

[brushcreek]

ColoradoV it's clear to everyone that you don't like the app idea, so here's an idea - don't use the app. The marketplace will decide if it's a good idea or not.

 

[ColoradoV]

"I wont be wronged. I wont be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them." Nice quote for someone doing wrong to a lot of folks and supporting folks who dont want to work and have tags handed to them....

Well brush I do feel that I can ask reasonable questions from someone who changes things to the point - well lets face it you will have to use this app or one of his competitors to even have a chance. If not it is time for me to move on from this place.

Again lets call a spade a spade when you get the text if you are like his poor old dad pounding nails or the brother on the road - well he might as well be pounding sand as he has 0 chance. 0, zip, no chance or if you are not sitting at a computer with the screen up and pre loaded your chance is 0. I know of one other pay for play that is going to use this ap to get tags for clients that way they can get a tag if they are too lazy to even fill in the info...

I am right in believing he will give no stats as to how many texts go out as again it will produce the truth that your chance now is 0...............

It changes the game for the worse flat out this app will help no one.

Also lots of folks know people over at the cpw as I just had a real interesting talk with one of the higher ups as well again we all know people - so to say he has the full support of the cpw from who I just talked with is a very long reach...

So man I dont even know what to call ya flaunt as you will not give your name but who is your contact at the CPW as you have projected you have the full support of everyone over at the cpw and that is not what i am gathering.

So as I for reference it would be good to have the name of the employee at the cpw that is saying this app is good for all hunters so could you fill us in on that just in case we want to give input we know the source of your advertising information that is saying you have the full support of the CPW as from what I just heard again that is not the case.

 

[JimP]

Aside from the question if this app is even needed it is coming to the point that if you want to hunt you are going to have to start putting in for a second, third, and fourth choices if you want a unit that you know and a hunt that you are willing to go on.

In my unit you used to be able to pick up cow tags the day before the hunt, not no more. In the unit to the north of me that has a late cow hunt you could also be able to pick up a cow tag just about any time that you wanted, not no more. In both of these units you are going to be spending points to draw those same cow tags. Even a unit that I used to archery hunt every year while building deer points has all its tags drawn in the first or second draw.

As we get more and more hunters in the state there are going to be fewer leftovers and actually looking at this years left over tags I decided that if I was going to hunt elk it will be a OTC bull tag.

 

[CoHiCntry]

Aside from the question if this app is even needed it is coming to the point that if you want to hunt you are going to have to start putting in for a second, third, and fourth choices if you want a unit that you know and a hunt that you are willing to go on.

In my unit you used to be able to pick up cow tags the day before the hunt, not no more. In the unit to the north of me that has a late cow hunt you could also be able to pick up a cow tag just about any time that you wanted, not no more. In both of these units you are going to be spending points to draw those same cow tags. Even a unit that I used to archery hunt every year while building deer points has all its tags drawn in the first or second draw.

As we get more and more hunters in the state there are going to be fewer leftovers and actually looking at this years left over tags I decided that if I was going to hunt elk it will be a OTC bull tag.

It isn't the "leftover" tags that seem to be creating so much competition, it's the reissued tags that come out on the leftover list...