Building elk preference points questions

fishingkid

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I am 26 years old been hunting mule deer for 11 years now. I just started the points game 4 years ago. Im a california resident I currently have deer points in california and Nevada I also have antelope in Nevada. I was told by anevada resident don't waste my time putting in for elk to late in the game take me forever as a non resident. I've always had a high interest in hunting mule deer never put a lot of homework into researching elk draws until now. My question is what states would you recomend to begin building points for a bull elk and what states for cow elk? They do not need to be same state just interested in widening my options not expecting you to post specific zones or locations I'll do all that homework just what state for a non resident. Im not looking for anything guided or private property DIY public land archery muzzleloader or rifle tags.thank you for the help in advance feel free to private message me
 

Zim

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My best advice to you is pass on high profile trophy units and target mid-tier units you can draw every 3-5 years with 3-5 points. Accumulate any more than that and you are a sitting target for unscrupulous politicians who like to cheapen NR points with legislation that waters down your point values in favor of fresh majority constituent greenhorn money. Just the way it is these days. All about money and stealing what invested sportsmen have contributed over many years. The less points you have, the less you stand to lose.

As far as Nevada goes, hard for me to tell. Since they square points, you would be behind thousands and thousands of people with squared points. I have 17 points and can't draw anything but a mediocre deer tag once. 17x17=289 chances to your 1 or 4. I also drew an elk tag, but got in very early 2007 before the point holders became a mountain. Your odds would be infinitesimal for decades. More realistic are 3-5 point elk/deer units in CO & WY. Or a leftover MT elk tag.
 

WapitiBob

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Zim's outlook is not what you see in magazines.

But it's reality.
You were born 20 years too late to take full advantage of point systems.
 

MAKAIRA

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Someone has to draw!If you are already paying for a Nevada license you may as well put in...Seems like they are upping the quotas in some areas.You are young enough you will draw a tag at some point-heck you might even be retired by then.
 

Hilltop

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Fishingkid- Colorado has some easily obtained elk permits and the hunting is pretty good in some of the areas. Wyoming general tags can be drawn with 1-2 points and there is some fantastic hunting if your willing to work at it. Montana's tags are expensive but there is great hunting up there as well. If I were in your shoes, I would hunt OTC elk in Colorado while I built points in Wyoming. You will have to wait a long time to draw premium tags in Wyoming but you could hunt on the general tag every 2-3 years.
 

Slugz

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I second what HT said........key IMO is to take advantage of being able to hunt while building points.......plenty of cow tags to go around from the leftover draw......great way to learn an area while hunting......boots on the ground. Colorado is hard to beat. Thats why I moved here :)
 

cmbbulldog

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Start building points in as many states as you can afford. I started about the same time as you did. I am 33 now and am at the point I draw at least one good each tag each year. I apply in AZ, CO, NM, NV, WY and Utah. There are some states where I plan to hunt every few years as Zim stated... they are...

AZ archery elk - I can get a tag there every 5-6 years at the latest in some of the "subpar" units that are better than most tags across the west.

Co Deer - find a 1-3 point unit, pick a season you like, and start hunting it as often as you can.

Wy antelope - you can probably a draw a fun tag every couple years.

Wy elk - I have built up 8 points, but once I draw I will hunt a general tag every 2-3 years.

Co elk - no need to build a ton of points in that state IMO.... pick a unit they requires a couple points and learn the area.

NM is a state I use to draw if I need a tag - no point system... so everyone is on equal footing. You can apply for very hard to draw tags or easier tags. Up to you depending on what you are looking at that current year.

I apply for tough to draw tags in Utah and Nevada each year. Knowing it may take me 20 years to draw, they will be once in a lifetime hunts when I end up drawing.

There are states like AZ (deer) you can hunt with archery in the rut in January every year. Idaho and CO you can OTC tags every year. these are hunts that can supplement if you strike out in the draws.

The point is, start applying for points if you can afford it, and come up 5 to 10 year plan. It can and will change, but will give you a good starting point.
 

Umpqua Hunter

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I am 26 years old been hunting mule deer for 11 years now. I just started the points game 4 years ago. Im a california resident I currently have deer points in california and Nevada I also have antelope in Nevada.
I was your age when I started. I was at or near the top of the point pool. I am now 51 and still waiting for several of those tags.
 

Umpqua Hunter

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I am 26 years old been hunting mule deer for 11 years now. I just started the points game 4 years ago. Im a california resident I currently have deer points in california and Nevada I also have antelope in Nevada.
I was your age when I started. I was at or near the top of the point pool. I am now 51 and still waiting for several of those tags.

With that said, my wife has been at it 6 years and drawn a few nice tags.
 

bghunter

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In my opinion. you should apply to as many states as you can afford and you never know when you get drawn. Last year I got Montana moose tag with one point and met one guy who was applying 49 years for same unit but never got drawn. It is hard to explain, luck, blessings or whatever, one thing you know for sure, you will not get drawn if you don't apply. Find some area(s) with OTC or general tags and learn how to hunt them.

You are young and you still can get a lots of great huns in your life, just make some plan and start working on it.
 

luckynv

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Lots of good suggestions from these guys. Otc tags in Utah and Colorado, Idaho, Washington, don't forget the elk in your home state, also look to expand your opportunities with Black Powder and or Archery. Point creep is a major challenge for all of us. Good luck and God bless
 

Umpqua Hunter

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Be wise how you spend your hunting dollars. Do the math. Figure out how long would it take to really draw the tag you are going for. There are alternatives for hunting. You can save that money for a future hunt. You can save for a landowner tag. You can save for a big outfitted hunt. You can learn a "good" area very well on easy to draw tags or OTC tags.

Realize there is something called "point creep", I didn't know about that as a young guy. There was an elk tag I wanted in the NW corner of CO, it took 7 points to draw, I thought, wow I'm in my early 20's, I can draw that 6 or 7 times before I am too old to hunt it. Well I didn't account for how many tags there were being issued and how many people were in front of me. It took 23 years and I still did't draw the tag I started out to draw, that would have taken another 5+ years.

It's a lot like investing, some take the lottery approach and every week are in line at the convenience store and some are wise and invest their money. Of course one the rare lottery ticket buyer does very very well, most of the people who decided to save did well.

Here's a simple trick I use, with an example. A friend told me about an elk raffle here in Oregon, big bulls, easy hunt. It was $100 a ticket with limited tickets. The limit was 100 tickets. The organization takes in $10,000 for every tag drawn. Could I have drawn it, yes, but it would typically have cost me $10,000 to draw it (statistically more, but you get the point). Now I have to look at what GUARANTEED hunts I could have done for $10,000 and say was it worth it.

There are tags worth chasing, and their are tags that aren't. One of my favorite hobbies is finding the ones that are.

A lot of hunting magazines are selling hope. I often have seen one or two page spreads in hunting magazines giving info about fantastic tags. If you do the math, sometimes that may only represent 2-5 tags to the entire readership.

Hard to draw tags typically have this in common (notice I said "typically"), EASY ACCESS to quality animals. I would say that now one of the current trends with younger guys is not to base their future hunting strategy on drawing those high end tags, but rather to get into the physical shape to make hunts most people wouldn't want to mess with. I have friends that backpack deep in Wyoming year after year into areas they have learned and do VERY well on elk. I recently ran a thread on how do I kill that next level of mule deer, the most common theme of those that posted replies was, learn an area very well, with quality animals, that you can hunt over and over.

With that said, I have a couple crazy long shots I put in for, but in general I chase tags I am fairly certain I will draw and have a pretty good idea of how much it will cost to draw that tag. Even that approach is not without it's faults as is being demonstrated in Arizona with their new draw system significantly devaluing the points of the top tier tag holders. It goes to show you states can and will change the rules after collecting your money.
 
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Zim

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Ya the return on investment in each state is different. But the quality could also change over time. One I can advise you to avoid is Oregon for instance. Very poor ROI and they only give out 2 1/2% DIY NR tags with marginal quality. Just not worth it. The specific state info posted here by others is all pretty accurate.
 

Ridgerunner

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If a guy doesn't look at return on investment he is really just throwing money away, there are some tags and states that unfortunately are out of reach for you already. I think if you go back and read UH post abs really digest it there is a lot of good stuff in there.


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dirtytough

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I have gotten lucky and have drawn two elk tags I should not have drawn statistically. Basically OIL elk tags. I am younger and didn't have many points either time. Both were in Washington which has a system a lot like NV. Everyone has a chance to draw however slight it is.

States like NV, AZ, and UT you need to apply for every species you are interested in since you are buying a license anyway.

If I was just starting out and was trying to figure out what states to apply for here's what I would do.
AZ. Good units you can draw in less then ten years for archery elk. They also have great pronghorn hunting if you are lucky enough to draw. Sheep if lucky enough to draw. Some good Otc archery deer hunts, and if you get lucky and draw a strip tag one of the best muley hunts in the west.
NV. They don't give out many tags for most species so quality is pretty good. You have a chance to draw any tag even if it's less then one percent.
CO. Good state to hunt every few years for deer and elk. You can build points and still hunt there every year. I wouldn't build a lot of points there. Really good OTC elk hunting if you get away from the roads.
WY. Not worth building up points for a trophy unit with the way their draw works. Hunt the general elk tag every few years and decide if you want to build deer points.
UT. I use Utah like a lottery. Not very expensive and if I draw it will be a hunt of a lifetime.
MT and ID I use as a backup if I have nowhere better to hunt. Their tags are basically OTC for elk deer so it doesn't take much advanced planning. ID you could apply for deer and elk. They don't have a point system so you have the same chance as everyone else every year. I apply for OIL tags there so I can't apply for deer and elk.

NM I don't apply for because the odds are so low and cost.

That's what I would do if I was new to applying.