Wolfs make politicians unable to count.....

wolftalonID

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Ok so I was reading this article today and it had some numbers of estimated wolf populations in the state(Idaho). So I did some quick research regarding the recorded number of hunted wolves Idaho Fish and Game have on the record since 2009's awesome first hunt.
to date Idaho has recorded 886 wolfs killed by hunters either hunted or trapped.

now read this article and tell me how fast do these mofos make babies.!?!?!?!? Damn is all I say...they will be the end of humans well before zombies are at this rate.

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MISSOULA, Mont.—The Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation stands shoulder-to-shoulder with the Idaho Fish and Game Department (IDFG) in opposition to a lawsuit aimed at stopping the management of wolves in the Frank Church-River of No Return Wilderness.


"There is nothing illegal about this management activity," said David Allen, RMEF president and CEO. "It clearly falls within the guidelines of Idaho’s federally-approved wolf management plan."


IDFG hired a hunter in late 2013 to track and kill wolves from two packs in central Idaho after determining wolf predation is a major factor preventing ailing elk populations in the area from recovering.


"The wilderness is a special place, but it is different from a national park," said Virgil Moore, IDFG director. "Backcountry hunting, fishing and wildlife viewing are treasured opportunities, and Fish and Game has actively managed wildlife in central Idaho since before the area was designated wilderness."


Moore stated aerial surveys in the Frank Church Wilderness indicate elk populations dropped 43 percent since 2002 and wolf populations are too high in relation to elk numbers. He also said there are at least six documented packs in the Middle Fork Salmon zone and several more across the wilderness area.


"Wolf hunting and trapping by sportsmen in the Middle Fork zones have not been sufficiently effective in reducing elk predation. Even if successful, this action will in no way come near to eliminating wolves," added Moore. "That is not, and never will be, our goal."


Last year IDFG managers estimated Idaho's wolf population at 683, an 11 percent drop from 2012, but more than 300 percent above the original minimum recovery goal of 150 established in the mid-1990s. The highest total was in 2009, when it estimated 859 wolves were in the state.


"There is a small fraction of people that believe the wolf deserves special rules and designations above and beyond all other wildlife. Wolves need to remain under state management like elk, deer, bears and lions in order to ensure balance and that there is sufficient habitat for the survival of all species," added Allen.


RMEF also remains committed to learning more about wolves through research efforts. Since 1989, RMEF invested nearly $664,000 in research grants to advance scientific understanding of wolves, wolf interactions with other species, and overall wolf management. The total includes more than $200,000 in science grants in just the past five years. Most of the contributions paid for independent research by leading universities, state and federal wildlife conservation agencies and tribes.
 

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Wow. Sounds like it should be all out war on the elk killing bastards!at that rate it will cost more to hire pro guns to kill the wolves when hunters would do it for free. Or he'll put a bounty on them.
 

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They multiply like crazy. Say there actually are 700 wolves (personally I think its atleast double since they are required to go with the minimum number they are sure there are) if 1/2 were female and those 350 females had 3 pups each that live that is 1050 new wolves each year. In good conditions they can be alot more productive then that. I dont think hunting alone can kill enough of them, especially in areas like Frank Church.
 

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They multiply like crazy. Say there actually are 700 wolves (personally I think its atleast double since they are required to go with the minimum number they are sure there are) if 1/2 were female and those 350 females had 3 pups each that live that is 1050 new wolves each year. In good conditions they can be alot more productive then that. I dont think hunting alone can kill enough of them, especially in areas like Frank Church.
I say nuke em :D lol

Hiroshima part 2
 

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They multiply like crazy. Say there actually are 700 wolves (personally I think its atleast double since they are required to go with the minimum number they are sure there are) if 1/2 were female and those 350 females had 3 pups each that live that is 1050 new wolves each year. In good conditions they can be alot more productive then that. I dont think hunting alone can kill enough of them, especially in areas like Frank Church.
That's crazy! I'm glad we don't have them here in Nv. Yet
 

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I think they could adapt to any place that had food for them. I hope they dont get to any other states either. They have done more then enough damage in ID/MT/WY. I would have some awesome elk hunting in my backyard if the wolves had not been introduced....
 

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Best solution is to exterminate them by all available methods! Hunting, trapping, poisoning, aerial gunning, bounties, introduce parvo, whatever has to be done. We eliminated them once before and it can be done again! All these wolfaboos can go see them in a zoo since its probably the only place 99.9% of them have ever seen a wolf anyways.
 

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Best solution is to exterminate them by all available methods! Hunting, trapping, poisoning, aerial gunning, bounties, introduce parvo, whatever has to be done. We eliminated them once before and it can be done again! All these wolfaboos can go see them in a zoo since its probably the only place 99.9% of them have ever seen a wolf anyways.
The wolf lovers need to be eliminated also! Lol
 

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A couple of interesting facts; In Alaska, when doing wolf control programs the target is to reduce the wolf population by 60-80%. If you don't attain that level of reduction it's going to be ineffective in increasing your ungulate herds.

In one area, we had a pre-wolf control, wolf population of 350-410 wolves in the control area. The wolf control goes on over the winter/spring but stops in the summer/fall. This has gone on for several years and last fall the estimated wolf population was 338-373.

So after years of hammering the wolves down over several winters, the population during the fall is down by 30 to 40. That's after aerial shooting, trapping and shooting. Packs can reproduce themselves over the summer and fall. You will probably have them forever.
 
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Musket Man

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Thanks AK! That is what I have herd too and why I am not very optimistic about the hunting seasons here. The only reason the populations have somewhat stabilized down here is the wolves are at capacity and they are not very productive but the amount we have been killing is just enough to make them more productive and really we need to kill atleast 2 or 3 times as many every year as we have been to really make the difference our deer, elk, and moose need to be able to recover.
 

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A couple of interesting facts; In Alaska, when doing wolf control programs the target is to reduce the wolf population by 60-80%. If you don't attain that level of reduction it's going to be ineffective in increasing your ungulate herds.

In one area, we had a pre-wolf control, wolf population of 350-410 wolves in the control area. The wolf control goes on over the winter/spring but stops in the summer/fall. This has gone on for several years and last fall the estimated wolf population was 338-373.

So after years of hammering the wolves down over several winters, the population during the fall is down by 30 to 40. That's after aerial shooting, trapping and shooting. Packs can reproduce themselves over the summer and fall. You will probably have them forever.
Should be shooting them year round, pups too!
 

Musket Man

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Should be shooting them year round, pups too!
I agree! Most of Idaho is open 8/30-3/31. So it is closed when I will be scouting for elk which kinda stinks. I think the idea is to not hunt them when they are having pups, which I think is one of the best times to kill them. I think the states are trying to make everyone happy instead of telling all these wolf lovers to shove it and doing whats really needed. I went to 1 of the hearings in MT and the way 'our side' was trying to tiptoe around everything I had to sit there in the court room for over a 1/2 hour to figure out which side was which......