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Bitterroot Bulls

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I meant more specifically, what do mule deer eat.
It varies, but here is some good info from Utah:

http://wildlife.utah.gov/learn-about-deer-habitat.html

This is the kind of stuff you should be looking for.

I think this is the biggest misunderstanding about researching your hunt. The biologist isn't in the business of pointing hunters towards trophies, but they are in the business of studying the lives and habits of game. The questions you should be asking the biologist are:

"What do the deer in this area EAT?"
"Does this preference change during the year?"

Biologists will likely give specific and accurate information about these questions, and you can then apply the answers to your area. Continue with this kind of research from varied sources.
 

TeddyBear

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I really recommend Mike Eastman's recently released book on mule deer. I've hunted them for almost 60 years and shot somewhere around 60 or 70 of them. I learned a lot that I just took for granted that I knew. Well worth the $$$.
Colorado Cowboy, great advice, I bought this book for my son. I peeked through it while at his house. I noticed he had blown through a highlighter proving its value. Sounds like I need to borrow it or get one of my own. I respect your advice do to the fact that you have put in your time and admit that after all these years you are still willing to learn. With all those trigger pulls under your belt, what do think of my choice of 300 win mag 165 gr. Too much, not enough? Thanks
 

TeddyBear

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Bitterroot Bulls, thanks for the site, you make a great point about Biologists. Now were getting somewhere! Thanks for your patience with this rookie from Michigan! Hope to hunt Utah someday. One state at a time. Still have to conquer Wyoming
 

Colorado Cowboy

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I mostly shoot a Ruger M77 (old model w/tang safety) in 25-06 for deer and antelope. I also sometimes shoot a sporterized 03 in 30-06. I use 150 gr Sierra Gameking BT bullets in it. In the .25-06 I also use Sierra gameking BT 117 6rainers. I do have a .300 Wby that is a custom commercial Mauser action that i use for Elk and larger. I like 180 gr Nosler partitions. It ain't necessarily the gun/caliber, it's bullet placement and confidence in the gun and it accuracy IMHO.
 

packmule

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I try to hunt mulies like they are whitetails.
It's not a bad plan. MD and WT have similar browsing habits and tend to concentrate around moisture rich browse. Pre-rut, they're still trying to store fat, during rut they're looking for carbs for quick energy, post rut they're looking for whatever they can find. The colder it is, the more calories they have to take in. Old bucks of both species like the same things, beds that are difficult to get to without alerting them, can bed and feed in the same general area to not expose themselves and a habit of going stupid when they have women on their mind. You will find that some people can hunt the same units year after year and churn out respectable bucks in the same spots; there's something there that makes those spots appealing to the animals for one to always hole up there.

If you can pattern big mature WTs in thick cover, MD in open country becomes more a thing of what you can put your body through and still find enjoyment in it.
 

TeddyBear

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It's not a bad plan. MD and WT have similar browsing habits and tend to concentrate around moisture rich browse. Pre-rut, they're still trying to store fat, during rut they're looking for carbs for quick energy, post rut they're looking for whatever they can find. The colder it is, the more calories they have to take in. Old bucks of both species like the same things, beds that are difficult to get to without alerting them, can bed and feed in the same general area to not expose themselves and a habit of going stupid when they have women on their mind. You will find that some people can hunt the same units year after year and churn out respectable bucks in the same spots; there's something there that makes those spots appealing to the animals for one to always hole up there.

If you can pattern big mature WTs in thick cover, MD in open country becomes more a thing of what you can put your body through and still find enjoyment in it.
Packmule, you rock! thanks for the info. I am a whitetail hunter at heart. I'm sure down in the great state of Texas you have had your share of hunting them also. I talked to a hunter in Montana last year that told me he quit hunting mulies because they are so stupid and easy to hunt, he only hunts whitetails now. Have to disagree with him on that one. We have had some mulies give us the slip, and the Lord only knows how many snookered us that we didn't know about. These Michigan Whitetails are super intelligent, but we wait for the moment they make that one mistake, and your right, there is usually a sweet doe in their crosshairs. Those females have caused the fall of some great men over the centuries. Thanks for great info buddy! Ill admit, I did vote for both Bushes.
 

TeddyBear

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Cowboy, Thanks, used a Ruger 77 this year myself. Tried to buy a kimber 300 shortmag this summer. Hard to find. 2 year waiting list. Don't know if I can give up my trusty 30 year old Rem 700. Its a part of me ya know? Just felt like I needed to upgrade. Buy one more gun to last the rest of my career. I know that's a whole diff subject. Missed a mulie last year with my Rem. Just flatout misjudged the distance. Got caught without my rangefinder. TeddyBear blew it! Learned a lesson though. Seems like life is chucked full of lessons.
 

BigBy1

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Sooo weird, I hunted region H this year and ran into Kyle Lash.... Nice fella but he didn't know what unit he was in and I had to help him out! Guess he had just got there!! By the way the guys telling you about Unit 82 are spot on! I've seen monsters over there!
 

nickpaolini81

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We hunted BLM land SW of Kaycee near Barnum and saw hundreds of deer and goats.

All 4 guys killed, to reiterate, no real quality and tons of public land landlocked by private roads. The buck I shot was a 130-ish. If you want to kill a deer you have to be able to want to go where no one else wants to go. That's where they live when the pressure gets hot

When you drive 1600 miles, it is hard not to pull the trigger


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shootbrownelk

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I really recommend Mike Eastman's recently released book on mule deer. I've hunted them for almost 60 years and shot somewhere around 60 or 70 of them. I learned a lot that I just took for granted that I knew. Well worth the $$$.
Cowboy is correct...buying any of Mike or Guy Eastman's Mule Deer books is the smartest money you'll spend on deer hunting.
Chock full of usefull information. Check them out TeddyBear.
 

whip

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Sooo weird, I hunted region H this year and ran into Kyle Lash.... Nice fella but he didn't know what unit he was in and I had to help him out! Guess he had just got there!! By the way the guys telling you about Unit 82 are spot on! I've seen monsters over there!
He moved to Jackson Aug 30 so he was learning new country. Trust me he will know it well in a few months.
 

Eberle

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We hunted BLM land SW of Kaycee near Barnum and saw hundreds of deer and goats.

All 4 guys killed, to reiterate, no real quality and tons of public land landlocked by private roads. The buck I shot was a 130-ish. If you want to kill a deer you have to be able to want to go where no one else wants to go. That's where they live when the pressure gets hot

When you drive 1600 miles, it is hard not to pull the trigger


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hoshour

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+3 on Mike's mule deer book. Three things really come across - keep going back to the same units, really get to know the area with detailed notes and get set to work your tail off. Prepare to "coyote out" way back in there and spend a day or two at least just glassing until you can pattern a buck and stay on him.

That's not the kind of hunting most guys will do but it is apparent all three Eastmans consistently kill big bucks and bulls DIY on public land, though obviously they also do some private land hunts.

Pick what you like - a lot of homework and footwork on public land or pay up for private land.
 

THelms

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Referring back to an early post on this thread, "I'm going to be blunt..." More research, more effort, smarter strategies = success; filled tag or not. Killing a big mulie is not easy. It requires time and effort. I moved out here six years ago from Michigan and have spent a lot of time getting to know areas and getting in away from pressure. In his newest article for Sports Afield Walt Prothero outlines the one key to success... Get Away From Other People! This can be tough to do in some areas if you do not have the advantage of living there. However, it is key! ALL of my nicest deer from public ground have come from the nastiest, hardest to get to country around. I've actually seen deer move off of private ground into some of these secluded "hell holes" because there was less pressure on them on the public due to the rough country.

On another note... Wyoming is upping the ante in some areas (finally!) by going to a three point minimum on Mulies. I'm going to soapbox a bit here. This is NOT enough! I've watched deer numbers in Wyoming plummet for the last six years, especially mule deer. Wyoming needs to make ALL mule deer tags a draw with a three or four point minimum, Period. No general tags for residents, combined with a point minimum would help. Along with that make all whitetail tags over the counter and rut hunts. TWO tags; a draw for mulies and a general unlimited for the rats of the river bottoms. Science and time have both proven we cannot kill off immature mulies during rut hunts and expect to have lots of big deer running around. Whitetails however, handle that pressure okay and I'm fairly certain that most western hunters would rather kill a good mulie every couple of years versus a dink every year.

Wew... okay, rant over. Take Away? To kill big mulies on public ground one needs to go where others are unwilling to venture.