wyoming a crock

[WapitiBob]

If a parcel is being subdivided, resulting in a land locked parcel, I don't know of a single state that would not require an easement. That wasn't the case 100 years ago when the Feds gave the railroads every other section as incentive to lay tracks. Back then corner jumping wasn't a problem and unfortunately didn't take that into consideration. It's now 2014 and without an easement, that landlocked land will remain landlocked, as it should until such time a generous landowner chooses to grant an easement.

As a point of clarification, there is no limit on LO tags. They can draw every tag in a hunt unit and have on at least one occasion.

 

[laxwyo]

There's a particular elk unit near town that I drew two years ago. They had 50 tags allotted and I was very surprised when I saw how few tags were given to residents and non residents. I can only assume the missing 25 tags went to land owners. Area 124 is massive in acreage and mostly public land. Some guy that owns land over by baggs routinely hunts on the west side of the unit. If your land was so valuable to game you'd think hunting your property would be sufficient. Also, why they getting type 1 tags? If game animals are so detrimental to their property, I'd think a cow elk tag would be more appropriate for population control. But no, this guy shoots a 350+ bull every year

 

[roknHS]

If the BLM range manager has found an acceptable way to get on public land, a taxpayer should be able to access it the same way. Private property rights of the rancher that has the public land surrounded are not being trashed. One way in, same way out, just the same way the range manager gets to it.
I understand how hard it will be to change a practice that has been in place for many decades. Very Hard. Doesn't alter the argument for change.
Sounds like Wyoming may be easing up on the corner hopping trespass curse..........that's a start!
When you guys talk with wardens during your research for the 2015 seasons, ask them what their stand is on corner hopping after the recent court decision. Let us know what they say. Thanks Topgun for bringing that up.
This new Idaho member thinks you're OK.

 

[packmule]

BLM flies a lot of property instead of actually stepping foot on it.

 

[WapitiBob]

The BLM manager can only get in the same way joe public does, an easement, or permission. Having a mutually beneficial relationship, that BLM guy is going to get permission long before you and I do.

 

[Psubowhunter]

We just got back from hunting that region as well. Very frustrating, but I expected it. Although our group of 7 hunters got 7 bucks, I doubt I would go back to that region. We ended up hunting small (usually 1 Sq mile) pieces of land. We hunted down towards kaycee and also up towards buffalo.

 

[retrieverfinder]

First post ever on this forum. I've always been a lurker but thought this was the time for me to jump in on the whole Wyoming thing. I've hunted area 82 (Region W) in Wyoming for the past several years. I've always thought I needed to find another area or state to hunt because it kept getting more and more crowded. This year cemented my decision. I WILL NEVER GO BACK TO THIS AREA AGAIN!! It has always been a bit crowded but after a few days many of the hunters would usually leave and things would be fine. Not this year....holy cow. There were more hunters in this area than I have seen in Northern California on opening day. I have never seen more people in one area in my life. I don't think it was so much the number of people but the number of ATV's. I could not get away from them. The entire area (Cow Creek Butte and Rendyl Butte) were an absolute zoo. Way too many roads and road hunters. When I finally would think I found an area with no roads, here they would come. I'm not bad mouthing the area in general. Its just that this type of hunting is for some but not for the serious foot hunter. Opening morning 3 hunters shot at the same buck that was standing 200 yards from me. Scared the crap out of me. Never again. I must say that there are plenty of deer in this area and it is an easy draw...thus the number of people. This is a great place to share information. I want to try to add valuable information about the area. I don't want others to be disappointed.

 

[OregonJim]

Thanks for the intel on corner crossing in Wyoming.
My corner crossing issue was in Colorado.

Not sure if it would have held up or not.
No ticket and a scolding seemed better than a ticket and a court date at the time…….

 

[roknHS]

Think how geat it would be if hunters could spread out on the public land they own and pay taxes to maintain. Remember, the BLM is supposed to be managing those properties for the use and enjoyment of present tax payers and future generations. In many instances, that is a "Crock". A paragraph added to the grazing lease contract could open all those acres up for our enjoyment. After all, the BLM says that is the job they have been assigned to do.

 

[Musket Man]

It really wouldnt change all that much because most of the land locked land is smaller pieces of land and the majority of the land in those areas is private anyways. There is access to alot of it if you are willing to walk and work for it and opening up more access would ruin those areas for guys that are willing to walk in several miles to public land with difficult access. Better access would also make tags harder to draw. The difficult access is the only reason there are leftover tags. There are plenty of units that take points to draw. Im glad these units have leftover tags you can get on years when nothing else works out even if they are a tough hunt.

 

[Topgun 30-06]

Have to disagree with you a bit on your comments MM. There are many completely landlocked pieces of BLM that cover several thousand acres or more. These are ones that the only way you can legally hunt them are either by flying in by helicopter or sometimes by plane if there is enough flat area to land the latter. The others we are talking about may have a spot where you can take a chance at corner crossing depending on what state it's in and what the various LE agencies feel about doing that. There are a lot of these and if corner crossing was declared legal it would open up millions of acres of public land where there would absolutely be no harm done to the private property at those corners that would be used for access.

 

[Musket Man]

Several thousand acres is small in Wyoming. lol

 

[WapitiBob]

Encountered my first land locked public this year that i really wanted to get to. A cpl hundred yards of pvt on the back side is all it took but private means private.
To that LO's credit, he said i could hunt all his land once the guys that had it leased had left.

 

[roknHS]

I don't see how having access to more huntable public acres and spreading out the pressure would be a bad thing. If the land currently has access, even though difficult, it is accessable.........that wouldn't need to change. A tough walk in area remains a tough walk in area. And I don't think more public access would make tags harder to get.........probably would make tags easier to get in a lot of units because hunters can spread to other units that now have decent public land access. At least that's what I would hope.

 

[Gr8bawana]

Do you really think the game wardens know where the deer are? Mule deer move around so much and they are not going to hang around
where they get shot at. They know where the safe ground is. You say all the deer are on private ground I would say don't hunt where there
is so much private ground. That usually means the steepest most rugged mountains you can find and far away from any roads. Sometimes it takes several years to learn an area so research from far away on the net and over the phone can only be so much help. So yes I do think more research is in order.

 

[packmule]

Several thousand acres is small in Wyoming. lol

Huge if it's a bowl or canyon holding a large concentration of deer.

 

[James K. Arnold]

Do you really think the game wardens know where the deer are? Mule deer move around so much and they are not going to hang around
where they get shot at. They know where the safe ground is. You say all the deer are on private ground I would say don't hunt where there
is so much private ground. That usually means the steepest most rugged mountains you can find and far away from any roads. Sometimes it takes several years to learn an area so research from far away on the net and over the phone can only be so much help. So yes I do think more research is in order.

Yes they are where you find them. When you do that's something special. It's taken me several years as a transplant from the Midwest to have a clue about what I'm doing out there. Also, just getting very familiar with some areas helps. More time spent afield scouting and getting back into bow hunting 2 years ago helped too. A guy I used to work with who has shot a lot of nice deer and elk told me that for a long time he was just walking from spot to spot, but not really hunting. That's a true statement too.