Dedicated GPS or phone?

jjgaw

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Morning all,

Going to SE Montana in November to hunt mule deer. I currently have the Onx maps app and use it for mapping, E-scouting, etc. I am trying to figure out if I should buy a dedicated GPS (garmin) with chip or if my iPhone will suffice. I will be hunting BLM and BMA's mostly. My two primary concerns are 1- not getting lost 2- not crossing property lines onto private.

I attempted to use my iphone with Onx in Wisconsin's black river forest last year and it was not a positive experience. I had a lot of trouble finding my location due to lost signal. However that was in an extremely dense forest.

Looking for advice from those of you who have had experience with GPS out west.
 

JimP

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Depending on just where you are going to be in Montana you might not have any phone signal at all.

I would go with a dedicated GPS, they will work in 99% of the ares dense forest or not.
 

HogsFly

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The onX maps are convenient, when science and technology merge in the woods and it works. I carry a name-brand GPS with good hunting maps on it. Since I assume neither one of those devices will work when needed, I carry a map of the area that helps with the big-picture as well.

Everybody has spots on their maps marked where they have seen animals, and they also mark where they historically receive cell coverage too!


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rammont

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Everybody has spots on their maps marked where they...receive cell coverage....
Not everybody, I don't even own a cell phone.

I could never really understand the mindset that people come to the out-of-doors to get away from things and then complain when their things don't work.

For me, a cell phone isn't worth the cost, especially because their coverage is very spotty where I live in South Western Montana. Just recently I had to kick people off my property because their phone app didn't work out here. Of course the fact that they passed several private property and private drive signs didn't seem to clue them in to the fact that they were on private property and we had to actually say the words "Get off my property" before they recognized that we wanted them off our property...but that's another topic.

Your cell phone gadgets might be convenient along highways and major roads but it isn't reliable out in the sticks unless you've got maps stored on your phone and it has a built in GPS receiver. I recommend a GPS unit and a current map and compass as a backup.
 

taskswap

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This is just my opinion, but I'm a fan of phones over devices. These days they're smaller, lighter, and easier to carry in front pockets/pouches. if you're worried about batteries a small charger is still smaller and lighter than most GPS's are and still much cheaper. And nearly all of the mapping apps like OnX have exactly the same data for phone and device... but again, cheaper.

I also like having some options for mapping apps. GPS's are really primitive. Most have screens so low resolution it can be hard to tell which side of a property line you're on without zooming in all the time. And while I love OnX for what it does, it's actually a pretty crappy mapping app. Locus Pro is much more sophisticated - I can swap out USFS Topos with motor vehicle use maps (access is important in Colorado!), record exactly where I find sign and bedding areas while scouting, etc. A GPS can do a lot, but a phone app almost always does it better. Being able to record location markers with photos is my biggest selling point.

There's nothing wrong with a physical GPS. It's super subjective and I totally respect people that prefer them. Ruggedness is the usual selling factor: they're way less fragile than phones. I just really like Locus Pro. It fits me. So I use a phone.

On the other hand I do NOT get that "no cell phone at all" thing. I don't know the laws in Montana but here in CO hunters have all kinds of legal obligations that require phones to support. If an injured deer runs over the border of a private parcel you're required to call the landowner, and if they won't answer, call the CPW. You can't knock on a door and ask to use a phone because EVERY property has "no trespassing" signs up, and usually locked gates too. If my buddy is hurt, I want to call 911 as fast as I can hike->drive somewhere with signal. Yes, I usually have no signal where I hunt. But I also usually get it back way before I get to a town. That time could be life or death.

With all due respect, I also don't think "this guy had a cell phone and trespassed on me" is a great argument, if you're really objective. OnX is the same data on a phone as it is on a GPS, and printed maps are often unreliable with respect to trespass concerns because they're usually only updated every few years. If they couldn't be bothered to use their app properly, no Garmin is going to fix that for them. They had every tool needed to avoid trespass and still did it. They're just morons, and you can't buy solutions for THAT. :)

PS - Don't mix "cell phone service" with "GPS functionality". You don't need service to use the GPS and maps in your phone. I have the whole state of Colorado downloaded for offline use. I almost never have signal where I hike and hunt, but I still prefer my phone. Works great.
 
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JimP

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Pull up your providers map and zoom in to see if there is coverage or not. In my experience it's very accurate.
I can show you a awful lot of mountain country out there that shows service on the providers map and when you get there you find out that there are only spots that it works if any.

I hunt in a lot of those area and usually when I need to make a phone call I have to go hunting for a place to make the call.
 

zpooch

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I have both. Phone is way more user friendly, download the maps you need and put it in airplane mode and it lasts several days easily
 

JimP

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On the other hand I do NOT get that "no cell phone at all" thing. I don't know the laws in Montana but here in CO hunters have all kinds of legal obligations that require phones to support. If an injured deer runs over the border of a private parcel you're required to call the landowner, and if they won't answer, call the CPW. You can't knock on a door and ask to use a phone because EVERY property has "no trespassing" signs up, and usually locked gates too. If my buddy is hurt, I want to call 911 as fast as I can hike->drive somewhere with signal. Yes, I usually have no signal where I hunt. But I also usually get it back way before I get to a town. That time could be life or death.
You are right about having to contact the owner or operator of private land before trying to retrieve a game animal but without going to the county office you have very slim chances of finding a phone number of someone to contact. There is also no requirement for you to call the CP&W if a game animal crosses into private land but you also can not go onto that land to try and recover it. The CP&W just consider it as a lost wounded animal and will allow you to continue to hunt on your unfilled license.

As for your hurt or lost buddy, I can drive for miles past ranch houses with landlines in them before my cell phone shows that I have any coverage. In this instance I highly doubt that you would run into any problems pulling up to a ranch house to use the phone even if there are No Trespassing" signs all over the place. Usually the locked gates are locked for a reason such as no one is around.
 

HighPlainsHunter

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To be clear you do not need to have service to use your phone as a GPS. IT has a GPS receiver which is separate from the antenna used for phone service. Just have to preload the maps.

I would prefer to use my phone as it has a better screen and is more user friendly and the batteries last longer. But I just have chips, not the app, so I still use the GPS.
 

zpooch

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I like the idea. Where site are you downloading the maps from?
backcountry navigator is free. I've also paid for Gaia GPS that I've used on hunting trips and remote 4x4 trips like the Arizona Strip and hiking. These are just general ArcGIS maps and Imagery, not landowner maps.
 

Slugz

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I can show you a awful lot of mountain country out there that shows service on the providers map and when you get there you find out that there are only spots that it works if any.

I hunt in a lot of those area and usually when I need to make a phone call I have to go hunting for a place to make the call.
ehhhhhhh......not so sure about that.

attached below is Verizon......zoom in to the appropriate range/area......and I've found the coloring/coverage very very accurate.
https://opensignal.com/networks/usa/verizon-coverage

Now if you go by the vague map they use for promotional reasons....then yes all bets are off.
 
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Slugz

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If you download the tiles you won't have any issues in the field on your phone.
As with most pieces of electronics......its only as good as the users skill and willingness to learn about its full potential.....I run across a lot of people that do not understand what they have in their hand, signal required to operate...etc etc

Could be a subject for a good article/piece......or maybe its been done already in a back issue
 

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Wow. This makes me feel young again. I feel like I am getting the ?old man syndrome? but reading this, I feel hip and tech savvy [emoji16] Just kidding and respect to everyone?s post.
I?ve gone strictly to the phone and would never go back. It?s spot on reliable, 100% of the time. I put animals to bed, mark them on my phone and then go in and get them. It?s been a total game changer last 3/4 years. Takes extra initial prep work and understanding but it?s amazing.
Again just teasing about the old man thing, I don?t want everyone to blow up on me. I respect everyone on here [emoji16]


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