Making 1000yrd shot is not what I call hunting. Your thoughts
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Old Hunter
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Sounds like a bit of guessing? Fine for target shooting. All you get is a bad score if you guess wrong.
BKC
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Strap Assassin
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Shooting 1k is awesome, if you're in the military. Show some respect for our wildlife or take your beliefs to the mountains of Afghanistan.
Elkoholic307
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I appreciate the advice, everyone, but you're all wasting your time.
By the way, I really like the "Dial & Kill" slogan. It would look good on a Team 3 Ball t-shirt. I'll leave out the idiot part though.
By the way, I really like the "Dial & Kill" slogan. It would look good on a Team 3 Ball t-shirt. I'll leave out the idiot part though.
Bitterroot Bulls
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Guys, I think we can safely say that not everybody is going to see this issue in the same way. How about we just let it go, and find some common ground. Then we will see how long this thread can do dormant before being dragged up again.
Old Hunter
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Elkoholic307
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ChadH
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Old Hunter
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Elkoholic307
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Montana
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Why not... Here we go 
The reason this is so controversial is because it is unethical. It doesn't matter how good of a shot you are or how often you practice, it is a matter of what happens when that animal takes a half step at a 1000 yards and your point of aim went from behind the front shoulder to in the a$$. And if you say you can only do it if the conditions are perfect, you're not being honest with us and more importantly yourself. Because the only way the condition exist, of the animal not being capable of moving, is if it is bedded, and bedded animals vitals aren't exposed at that distance. If you shoot at that distance it is only time before an animal is wounded and not recovered. We, at one time or another will experience losing an animal but shooting at long distances will greatly increase your odds. And I should clarify, all of this is in reference to a numbers game. You might get away with it a few times but I am referring to people who consistently harvest high numbers of animals on an annual basis.
There we go That's my 2 cents
The reason this is so controversial is because it is unethical. It doesn't matter how good of a shot you are or how often you practice, it is a matter of what happens when that animal takes a half step at a 1000 yards and your point of aim went from behind the front shoulder to in the a$$. And if you say you can only do it if the conditions are perfect, you're not being honest with us and more importantly yourself. Because the only way the condition exist, of the animal not being capable of moving, is if it is bedded, and bedded animals vitals aren't exposed at that distance. If you shoot at that distance it is only time before an animal is wounded and not recovered. We, at one time or another will experience losing an animal but shooting at long distances will greatly increase your odds. And I should clarify, all of this is in reference to a numbers game. You might get away with it a few times but I am referring to people who consistently harvest high numbers of animals on an annual basis.There we go
That's my 2 cents
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hvfd21walker
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I think we all are missing the point here. We will all never see eye to eye on how we hunt, what we hunt or what we use to harvest the animals we hunt. Our passion is always under attack by people that do not understand why we do what we do. We all have to agree to disagree and stick together to keep this passion alive. Thats just my 2cents.
Old Hunter
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Let me ask you. What's the difference between your 1000yd target shot, and the 1000yd shot at an animal? What part of the shot at the animal is hunting? Which one is harder? Which one are you more accurate at? Ever wound an animal? Ever miss?
Can the animal see, smell, or hear you at 1000yds? Other than the shot. What skills do you need to hunt at 1000yds?
ChadH
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This is not targeted just at OldHunter, his post was just the last in a string. I've stayed out of this for to long to handle it anymore. I am not a "long range" guy, but all these small minded caricatures are just to much, and it is far to pervasive in our society. The whole society needs to learn some manners, and tone it down about 10 notches.
Just because I don't like sitting behind a reloading bench turning brass to within a micron doesn't mean I don't respect someone that does (I do enjoy reloading though). Just because I don't shoot iron sights much anymore (I did for many, many years and I guess I shoot one white tail doe a year with a Savage 99 that was my grandpa's) doesn't mean I don't respect someone who does. Just because I don't (or can't) shoot reliably at 1000 yards doesn't mean I don't respect the time and dedication it takes someone like Edelweiss or Elkoholic to hone that craft. I don’t recommend every young guy with cable TV, run out and start throwing bullets downrange at long distance just because they think they can because some guy on TV did. But to be honest, every hunter has a maximum range well short of what his weapon is capable of reproducing consistently (I don’t care if you shoot a bow or scoped firearm, muzzle loader or 45-70 with iron sights, yes Quigley went “down under” and a whole lot of guys hit the hills trying to be him as well. Tom Horn you aren’t.) Don’t try and sell yourself as someone who has never “stretched the max” a bit, or wondered “If I can”. If you are human, you have. I have SEEN Eastman’s shows where Guy shot animals further than his post in this thread says he LIKES to shoot (Mike is a different story, we love you Mike). The bottom line to me is this, I describe "ethical" as the ability to truly self evaluate, look critically in a mirror and honestly assess who you are (in this discussion that means asking what you are capable of) and doing the right thing in light of that evaluation (everyone should practice this in all areas of their lives). Don't for one minute tell me that still hunting the woods, shooting with iron sights, means you are a more ethical shooter (or even necessarily a more ethical hunter). For instance, there is no way in H. E. double hockey sticks that you can shoot as well (actual repeatable accuracy) with iron sights at even 50 yards as you can with a more modern sighting platform (protest all you want, no you can't). You can, I am 100% positive, shoot very adequately for a hunting situation, but not technically as well. That “hunting situation” part means we ALL make judgement calls. So extending the logic to many of you are using, we should all rail on the choice to shoot iron sights, or bows or whatever isn't the most accurate method of shooting. After all, your logic states that the lower the chance of a bad shot, the more ethical you are, and so because repeatably accurate shots are less likely to be bad shots they are by definition more ethical. Should mandate you use the better sighting platform (not just the many arbitrary distances people use to define what is ‘ethical’) to ensure you are the most ethical hunter possible. Or maybe we should MANDATE that every hunter shoot X number of 1000's of rounds at a range every year, keeping a skill that has a "shelf life" at it's peak. And using this logic bows are out (and I just dumped a bunch in a new rig, DANG), they aren't as accurate and don't produce the kinetic energy to "ethically" dispatch an animal as quickly as whatever firearm you are using (heard that one for years about bow seasons and archery equipment). Oh, and all you front loaders out there, can't use them any more. And why is it that some states won't let you use a scope on a muzzle loader, it makes it more accurate, so it is more ethical right? Or is ethical more "Primative", you can't have it both ways. These are just stupid divisive arguments about what happens "if" (the animal moves, or stops moving or the wind picks up/dies down or whatever). The challenge is in testing yourself, how you test is up to you. You ALL have my respect .... as long as you give respect.
And by the way, to me the word 'Old' means 'Old enough' to know how to exercise self control in what you do, in what you say (or type), AND in knowing when to let it go. Disrespect is deserving of disrespect, and to the respectful person respect is due, so lets all practice respect. I wish the Mods would lock this thread out and put it to bed. This is to great of a site for this GAR BAGE (said with a french accent
).Chad
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Musket Man
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I know this is very controversial and im not saying im for 1000 yard shots but it all comes down to what you are comfortable with and hod good you are. there are guys that can shoot better at 1000 yards then some ever will at 50 yards.
Old Hunter
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Chad,
If we were talking about 500yds. I might not say anything. Moving it to 1000yds puts it into sniper range. I have no doubt 1000yd shots can be taken by a few. It would take a lot of training to be proficient at it, and then i'd like to what the odds are in the field of a miss. At it's best it has to be a low percentage shot. I've seen misses more than once on TV shows. I just watched one last night. 756 yds and he shot 2 ft over the deer. Spotter says. "You shot high". He takes another shot, and drops the deer. Was that a good percentage shot?
The problem I have is Joe Average sees shows like that, or threads like this, and thinks he can do it too. He's take a few shots at the range, and then goes in the field, and wounds an animal. My concern is always for the animal. Have enough respect for it to give it a fast kill. There's so many things that can go wrong with 1000yd shots that it can't ever be a sure thing. Only those who are highly skilled should attempt it. I think that list of hunters is very small.
Now, since you had to bring up my style of hunting. Let me talk about it a bit. Just so you understand me a little.
My dad started me hunting when I was 8 years old. Small game with a .22 to start off, and then when i was 11 years old he bought me a 30-30 for deer. Which I continued to use for elk and deer until now. With some ML recently.
What he drove into me from the beginning is to respect the animals. To never ever take a chancy shot. He taught me to give the animal evry chance to escape. To always still hunt, and let the animal be able to use all it's senses to beat me. I've never wavered from what I was taught. I cannot count the animals i've passed up, because the shot was chancy. Without bragging, because I was also taught to not do that either, I can say i've never taken a shot that didn't kill the animal in 61 years of hunting. I could never say this if it wasn't the self control my dad taught me.
Is my way the only way to hunt. Of course not. That would be ridiculous for me to say that. Everybody should hunt the way they like. I just want to see everybody do it in a responsible way that gives respect to the animal. If that means taking a 1000yd shot, and you can do it everytime? Good deal.
If we were talking about 500yds. I might not say anything. Moving it to 1000yds puts it into sniper range. I have no doubt 1000yd shots can be taken by a few. It would take a lot of training to be proficient at it, and then i'd like to what the odds are in the field of a miss. At it's best it has to be a low percentage shot. I've seen misses more than once on TV shows. I just watched one last night. 756 yds and he shot 2 ft over the deer. Spotter says. "You shot high". He takes another shot, and drops the deer. Was that a good percentage shot?
The problem I have is Joe Average sees shows like that, or threads like this, and thinks he can do it too. He's take a few shots at the range, and then goes in the field, and wounds an animal. My concern is always for the animal. Have enough respect for it to give it a fast kill. There's so many things that can go wrong with 1000yd shots that it can't ever be a sure thing. Only those who are highly skilled should attempt it. I think that list of hunters is very small.
Now, since you had to bring up my style of hunting. Let me talk about it a bit. Just so you understand me a little.
My dad started me hunting when I was 8 years old. Small game with a .22 to start off, and then when i was 11 years old he bought me a 30-30 for deer. Which I continued to use for elk and deer until now. With some ML recently.
What he drove into me from the beginning is to respect the animals. To never ever take a chancy shot. He taught me to give the animal evry chance to escape. To always still hunt, and let the animal be able to use all it's senses to beat me. I've never wavered from what I was taught. I cannot count the animals i've passed up, because the shot was chancy. Without bragging, because I was also taught to not do that either, I can say i've never taken a shot that didn't kill the animal in 61 years of hunting. I could never say this if it wasn't the self control my dad taught me.
Is my way the only way to hunt. Of course not. That would be ridiculous for me to say that. Everybody should hunt the way they like. I just want to see everybody do it in a responsible way that gives respect to the animal. If that means taking a 1000yd shot, and you can do it everytime? Good deal.
hvfd21walker
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brandenbowhunter
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To each his own...only problem is the guys that think they can, and really can't...I know plenty that can...and a few that can't that think they can...but guys on the internet telling them they can't...just makes them try more...the bad ones that is...they don't care.