Record Books, Would you even register your trophy?

[AT Hiker]

I would for sure if it was close to a "record".

Right down the road from me the new world record whitetail was killed. Out of all states it was in TN, if that deer was never entered it would be a "myth". More importantly if it was never officially scored, no one would ever believe it scores as much as it does.


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[Timberstalker]

I've never killed a B&C animal, I've only seen one that I'm certain would make book and it was a Blacktail I saw out of seasons 25+ years ago. I would for sure if I ever kill something that big, tough to do in Oregon. There are record books for NW states, I have a few Oregon record book critters, all are in the Oregon book, none qualify for B&C.

After thinking about it the big buck I saw some 25 years ago wouldn't qualify even though it was a true blacktail. The boundary is about 15 miles west of where he was. Lots of big blacktail can never go into the B&C book, the boundary is to far west in many places.

 

[BOHNTR]

I have a P&Y whitetail but what is the point in entering it.

Just to clarify, if it's not officially measured and entered, then you do NOT have a P&Y animal.

I would and have entered animals into the B&C and/or P&Y records program.......I do not support the SCI records program.

 

[fackelberry]

I have 2 animals entered into P&Y, a Antelope and a Whitetail buck. I also have a Blackbear that made the B&C awards book. All were shot in Wyoming. I didn't do it to say i'm better than anyone else. I did it because Wyoming isn't know for a lot of TRUE record book animals except antelope! I always look at where record animals come from in different books and rarely seen Wyoming for alot of animals. I just thought i would do my part and let people know there are some trophy class species in Wyoming. I support P&Y and B&C but don't support SCI as Buzz said because they let high fenced animals in their books. Hell anyone can grow a record book animal under controlled conditions! I shot a mule deer in Colorado in 2015, I had it scored and he has too much deductions to make it as a typical and not enough extras to make it as a non-typical in the B&C record books, i also shot a whitetail this year and i'm in the same boat with him. The B&C scorer said they would both go high in SCI book if i wanted to enter them, but i chose not to for reasons above.They are both my biggest to date but not in any record books.

And to the people who say they wouldn't enter an animal in the "books" I'm sure at one point in your life you HAVE looked in them to see where big animals were taken or are being shot. Or asked someone who hase taken one and where? How many of you have looked at record book antelope and seen where they come from or the MRS section in Eastmans which shows alot of good blue chip units which is based on alot of record book animals being taken in them units? And then you try to draw the blue chip units! If it wasn't for people entering animals into record books, and no MRS to cross reference said data, you guys wouldn't know which units to hunt in for record book animals. And if you are telling us the truth about it's just an ego thing, Why do you want to draw the top units for anything? According to what some people say, it doesn't matter what he scores. Well then i would assume you should be hunting all the easy draw areas that don't require any points or very few. Areas that are not KNOWN to produce record class anything. You can just hunt them and not worry about YOUR ego or worry about people mistaken you for that. As for me i will try to shoot record class animals, and if it happens he would qualify for the record books, i would gladly put him in it so other people can see that conservation is working and there is still some big ones to be had! Just some thoughts!

 

[ivorytip]

I have 2 animals entered into P&Y, a Antelope and a Whitetail buck. I also have a Blackbear that made the B&C awards book. All were shot in Wyoming. I didn't do it to say i'm better than anyone else. I did it because Wyoming isn't know for a lot of TRUE record book animals except antelope! I always look at where record animals come from in different books and rarely seen Wyoming for alot of animals. I just thought i would do my part and let people know there are some trophy class species in Wyoming. I support P&Y and B&C but don't support SCI as Buzz said because they let high fenced animals in their books. Hell anyone can grow a record book animal under controlled conditions! I shot a mule deer in Colorado in 2015, I had it scored and he has too much deductions to make it as a typical and not enough extras to make it as a non-typical in the B&C record books, i also shot a whitetail this year and i'm in the same boat with him. The B&C scorer said they would both go high in SCI book if i wanted to enter them, but i chose not to for reasons above.They are both my biggest to date but not in any record books.

And to the people who say they wouldn't enter an animal in the "books" I'm sure at one point in your life you HAVE looked in them to see where big animals were taken or are being shot. Or asked someone who hase taken one and where? How many of you have looked at record book antelope and seen where they come from or the MRS section in Eastmans which shows alot of good blue chip units which is based on alot of record book animals being taken in them units? And then you try to draw the blue chip units! If it wasn't for people entering animals into record books, and no MRS to cross reference said data, you guys wouldn't know which units to hunt in for record book animals. And if you are telling us the truth about it's just an ego thing, Why do you want to draw the top units for anything? According to what some people say, it doesn't matter what he scores. Well then i would assume you should be hunting all the easy draw areas that don't require any points or very few. Areas that are not KNOWN to produce record class anything. You can just hunt them and not worry about YOUR ego or worry about people mistaken you for that. As for me i will try to shoot record class animals, and if it happens he would qualify for the record books, i would gladly put him in it so other people can see that conservation is working and there is still some big ones to be had! Just some thoughts!

alot said here that i have to agree with. if size isnt important dont put in for hard to draw tags. i know a guy that shoots big animals ona regular basis. i dont know how he affords it but the guy lives in his hunting spots way way longer than most avid hunters do. spring winter summer and fall he knows where whats worth pursuing is and where they will more than likely be on the opener and he generaly punches tag on the opener. he has some b&c and has a beautiful P&Y buck... (if was entered) but refuses to enter. his argument is same as is being used on here. doesnt want info being handed out. i kind of agree with that, however, as fackelberry said; this info realy is usefull and we have all benifitted to some point by this info. but..... there are particular units that hold some tru tropy game B&C and P&Y types of trophies that are never mentioned in the books or magazines. call them sleeper units or call them dead units if you want but there is a reason why there are huge animals being taken from particular units that are never talked about as (blue Chip units) every year.... there are monster animals being taken from hard to draw units as well as units with otc tags filled with people. i honestly dont know if i would enter an animal, i havent had the opertunity yet but i probably would depending on what unit i was in....

 

[hoshour]

Yup, that's why I think the green chip units and even some below that are good bets. Most of them still produce really good bucks and bulls and are a lot easier to draw. In Colorado, all but 7 counties have at least one mule deer entry in B&C and 5 of those that don't are in far eastern Colorado where the muley population is quite a bit lower. Other good states are similar for certain species.

 

[hoshour]

I have 2 animals entered into P&Y, a Antelope and a Whitetail buck. I also have a Blackbear that made the B&C awards book. All were shot in Wyoming. I didn't do it to say i'm better than anyone else. I did it because Wyoming isn't know for a lot of TRUE record book animals except antelope! I always look at where record animals come from in different books and rarely seen Wyoming for alot of animals. I just thought i would do my part and let people know there are some trophy class species in Wyoming. I support P&Y and B&C but don't support SCI as Buzz said because they let high fenced animals in their books. Hell anyone can grow a record book animal under controlled conditions! I shot a mule deer in Colorado in 2015, I had it scored and he has too much deductions to make it as a typical and not enough extras to make it as a non-typical in the B&C record books, i also shot a whitetail this year and i'm in the same boat with him. The B&C scorer said they would both go high in SCI book if i wanted to enter them, but i chose not to for reasons above.They are both my biggest to date but not in any record books.

And to the people who say they wouldn't enter an animal in the "books" I'm sure at one point in your life you HAVE looked in them to see where big animals were taken or are being shot. Or asked someone who hase taken one and where? How many of you have looked at record book antelope and seen where they come from or the MRS section in Eastmans which shows alot of good blue chip units which is based on alot of record book animals being taken in them units? And then you try to draw the blue chip units! If it wasn't for people entering animals into record books, and no MRS to cross reference said data, you guys wouldn't know which units to hunt in for record book animals. And if you are telling us the truth about it's just an ego thing, Why do you want to draw the top units for anything? According to what some people say, it doesn't matter what he scores. Well then i would assume you should be hunting all the easy draw areas that don't require any points or very few. Areas that are not KNOWN to produce record class anything. You can just hunt them and not worry about YOUR ego or worry about people mistaken you for that. As for me i will try to shoot record class animals, and if it happens he would qualify for the record books, i would gladly put him in it so other people can see that conservation is working and there is still some big ones to be had! Just some thoughts!

Just for the record, there is a lot more that goes into a blue chip rating than B&C entries.

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

alot said here that i have to agree with. if size isnt important dont put in for hard to draw tags. i know a guy that shoots big animals ona regular basis. i dont know how he affords it but the guy lives in his hunting spots way way longer than most avid hunters do. spring winter summer and fall he knows where whats worth pursuing is and where they will more than likely be on the opener and he generaly punches tag on the opener. he has some b&c and has a beautiful P&Y buck... (if was entered) but refuses to enter. his argument is same as is being used on here. doesnt want info being handed out. i kind of agree with that, however, as fackelberry said; this info realy is usefull and we have all benifitted to some point by this info. but..... there are particular units that hold some tru tropy game B&C and P&Y types of trophies that are never mentioned in the books or magazines. call them sleeper units or call them dead units if you want but there is a reason why there are huge animals being taken from particular units that are never talked about as (blue Chip units) every year.... there are monster animals being taken from hard to draw units as well as units with otc tags filled with people. i honestly dont know if i would enter an animal, i havent had the opertunity yet but i probably would depending on what unit i was in....

Lot to be said about knowing the unit you hunt. All the bucks on my profile album were shot in the same place. I usually leave camp several hours before daylight and hike to the spot I know that I want to be in at legal shooting time. Usually with an hour my tag is filled. Hunted the same spot for 25 years.

 

[Jrod]

I would. Just as stated above; why care about what units shoot the biggest bucks if you don't intend to kill a buck that would "make book". A mature deer is tough to kill regardless of his antler size, some just have great headgear when they are of age.
I don't mind SCI. They classify high fence as "estate" hunts anyways. I also don't like deductions in B&C and P&Y. God didn't give the animal any deductions so why should we. I killed my biggest deeer this year and was prolly only a little over 140, but record books make a bench mark to shoot for.

 

[lostinOregon]

I have entered animals into B&C. I don't necessarily agree with SCI's philosophy and scoring. Seems SCI is more about obtaining trophies then honoring the animal itself. I have known some folks and have some seen photos of what is thought to be a B&C class animal, and I didn't think they would even come close to the scoring minimums. Most people over score by a long shot, rather than under score their animals. B&C scoring minimums make any animal that qualifies for an exceptional trophy. A 190 inch net mule deer is a damn giant. I am not saying that folks on here that say they have an animal that would make the all time book wouldn't. I'm just saying most folks who don't spend time researching and scoring really don't understand how big a B&C animal really is.

I think B&C serves a very good purpose. I use it to examine how healthy a herd of deer are and you can easily see mother natures effect on entries in a bad winter. There are some very telling trends and a lot of them have to do with how a herd is managed by the F&W agencies. Many of you subscribe to the MRS where they use tons of B&C data to point out herd health and counties where genetics exist to produce large animals. I believe that B&C records books serve a purpose other than defining someone's ego just because they entered their animal into the record books.

Rich

 

[Prerylyon]

Does writing the date on the freezer paper count? (jk)

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[ColoradoV]

I do not think I would either but then again I would have to get some animals officially scored and that is something I never have done...To each their own I do look at the books and that is fun. Now if it were a 226 6/8 typical mule deer unless it was in velvet I would..

Don't mind folks showing off their trophies either many ways to do so and the book is only one. My way is a skull plate and 2 screws hanging the special ones in my garage. I have 2 antelope that unofficial measures have said are above the book min and it took driving around a private 30,000 acre ranch for half a day to get each one. Fun hanging out with friends who own the ranch not so much of a challenge on the hunt so they are not hanging up.. I also have a mule deer that is 160 class mule deer buck I got at high elevation with a long bow at 12 yards. He is hanging front and center..

Interesting to see other folks opinions on it and while I don't mind bc and p&y I dont agree with sci..

 

[shootbrownelk]

I haven't yet & probably never will. The only exception would be if it was freakishly large like a state record or something like that. I'm not a big fan of scoring and even less a fan of entering animals in the "book", like JimP said it's just an ego trip for some guys and drives hunting in a direction I'm not interested in going.

Me too Hi Cntry. I never hunted with a ruler or tape measure. I know plenty who do however. I have 2 Antelope that a couple of people who are into that sort of thing said I should have scored....I never did.

 

[mallardsx2]

I personally only have had two animals scored. My Dad insisted that my whitetail and my moose get scored. I told him if he wanted them scored that he had to pay for it lol

 

[Hilltop]

I love hunting big animals but have never been motivated to enter anything. I don't hold it against others who do and frankly just haven't given a lot of thought into the books. I haven't used the books or MRS for reference when researching hunts. I grew up in the areas I go back to hunt (Wyoming) so really haven't had the need to venture outside of areas I know well.

My best guess is 1 out of 3 gets registered. I know many guys like me who have animals way over the minimum that just haven't ever registered them. I have 2 animals that were officially scored that make book and one other one that I am confident would make it. I scored them out of curiosity and just haven't sent them in. I did send my mule deer from last year to the state of Nebraska as I really like the management plan they are currently using. I am hopeful that the biologists are using some of that data to back up the work they are doing and possibly expand it to cover more of the state.

 

[JimP]

Here is some food for thought that is a little off topic but then again it could be on topic.

On SCI's allowing high fence animal to be scored and entered into their book, have any of you hunted a high fence area? The way that Colorado and Utah for two states are fencing in the highways you might consider them a "high fenced area" The animals are loosing their migration routes and are going to have to establish new wintering areas or at the very least new paths to get to them.

I know that when some think of a high fence area you look at some of the operations that there are in Texas and a few other states that only cover a few hundred acres, but there are a lot of them where the animal quite possibly will never see the boundary fence. I know that the area that I hunted in South Africa was a high fence but it would take a man 3 or 4 days to walk across it either north to south or east to west and I found the hunt there just as challenging as any hunt here in Colorado.

 

[ivorytip]

I am not aware of any high fenced hunt in the states where the elk aren't true rocky mountain elk, and the animals are fed to ensure massive antler growth. There is a high fence [operation not 30min from my house in the Blackfoot mountains that covers a gigantic area. I used to hunt it before it got bought out and turned high fence.

 

[ivorytip]

I do not think I would either but then again I would have to get some animals officially scored and that is something I never have done...To each their own I do look at the books and that is fun. Now if it were a 226 6/8 typical mule deer unless it was in velvet I would..

Don't mind folks showing off their trophies either many ways to do so and the book is only one. My way is a skull plate and 2 screws hanging the special ones in my garage. I have 2 antelope that unofficial measures have said are above the book min and it took driving around a private 30,000 acre ranch for half a day to get each one. Fun hanging out with friends who own the ranch not so much of a challenge on the hunt so they are not hanging up.. I also have a mule deer that is 160 class mule deer buck I got at high elevation with a long bow at 12 yards. He is hanging front and center..

Interesting to see other folks opinions on it and while I don't mind bc and p&y I dont agree with sci..

I like your mindset. I've shot a few animals off of private property that were way to easy of hunts. The ones you work for, even if smaller, are much more of a trophy.

 

[fackelberry]

Just for the record, there is a lot more that goes into a blue chip rating than B&C entries.

I know there are more factors than B&C entries, such as quality of the hunt, ease of access, other hunting pressure, population of animals. But i have seen it myself in the MRS write up on antelope in the blue chip area where the writer says the area can on a regular basis produce an 80" or better buck. So that being said they are basing it off a B&C score. You could have all the same factors as above but where animals generally only hit 75-77" range and it is cosidered a green chip area. Just showing that areas are judged alot by B&C score, not entries into B&C record book but an average score. Let me say this. You have 2 identical areas for antelope all things being equal, access, public land, tag quotas, population, but one produces mostly 80" bucks or bigger and the other mostly produces 70" bucks with the occasional bigger. Most of your hunters are gonna put in for the for the area that produces the biggest bucks and maybe the other area as second choice! Why? Once again its based off what the general bucks "score". So if score and size doesn't matter to hunters like they say it doesn't, i think they should put up a map of the state they want to hunt with all the hunting areas shown and throw a dart at it form 10 feet away. Whatever area they hit, thats the area they put in for and hunt good or bad. Because B&C score doesn't matter to them as they say!

 

[Hilltop]

I know there are more factors than B&C entries, such as quality of the hunt, ease of access, other hunting pressure, population of animals. But i have seen it myself in the MRS write up on antelope in the blue chip area where the writer says the area can on a regular basis produce an 80" or better buck. So that being said they are basing it off a B&C score. You could have all the same factors as above but where animals generally only hit 75-77" range and it is cosidered a green chip area. Just showing that areas are judged alot by B&C score, not entries into B&C record book but an average score. Let me say this. You have 2 identical areas for antelope all things being equal, access, public land, tag quotas, population, but one produces mostly 80" bucks or bigger and the other mostly produces 70" bucks with the occasional bigger. Most of your hunters are gonna put in for the for the area that produces the biggest bucks and maybe the other area as second choice! Why? Once again its based off what the general bucks "score". So if score and size doesn't matter to hunters like they say it doesn't, i think they should put up a map of the state they want to hunt with all the hunting areas shown and throw a dart at it form 10 feet away. Whatever area they hit, thats the area they put in for and hunt good or bad. Because B&C score doesn't matter to them as they say!

The people I refer to don't necessarily care what the animals score is but they recognize big, mature animals. I know others who think the scoring system itself is flawed. For instance, why should a set of antlers or horns have a deduction? I'm somewhere in the middle but can see and respect both sides.