Is it really DIY when you assemble a team or have some one else spot for you?

[In God We Trust]

I think it's DIY but this is a very slippery slope and many have already headed to the bottom.

I was on a sheep hunt where we had 5 including the hunter. I was there for another set of eyes and a good back, (mostly for a good back I think ). We ended up getting the fella his ram.
It was still diy. Everyone hiked the mountains, the hunter scouted, we all conferred with each other on judging, we did it all by ourselves. That's diy imo. Everyone part of the "posse" so to say, that took their money, their time, and contributed to a successful hunt. No people were paid to do an aspect of the hunt. Isn't the goal to find the animal worthy of the tag, so what's the difference if it takes 1 or 20 people to help? Assuming it isn't like guiding where money is at stake, that's DIY. It's almost like some are jealous of having multiple people, much like some cry cuz they can't afford auction tags.

Some are mixing DIY with SOLO imo.

Most are not jealous that they can not afford auction tags. Most are pissed off that we have a system that allows the rich to have preference over everyone else and bypass the system . Most are pissed that they wait 20 years for a tag or their whole life and never draw a tag while some guy with deep pockets gets a once in a lifetime tag on a whim. Auction tags are pandering to the rich while raffle tickets allow the average guy to have a shot at a once in a lifetime tag. As far as big groups of people hunting for one guy with one tag. It can ruin a hunt if it goes unchecked. Like I stated earlier. (This is hypothetical)I draw a unit that gives out 20 tags. Each tag holder brings 9 people with him to help find his animal. That is 200 people looking for a trophy animal in that unit. All of a sudden you have a crowded unit full of hunters and politeness goes out the window. Just like reality in the Strip, Book Cliffs, and other units.

 

[In God We Trust]

Actually this is not true

You are right I read the regs wrong. It is only illegal to use communication devices while breaking other hunting rules.

 

[tim]

i guess what is the popular definition of DIY? When that term first came out, it seemed like it meant the do it YOUR self, but anymore it seems like DIY means non guided.

I also wonder if opportunitie has anything to do with posse hunting. IF you live in a state that you can't just go hunting, do to having to draw any tag to hunt, posse hunting gives you a reason to go in the field?

 

[joelweb]

We don't have to consider this question in Montana where two way radios, text messages, etc. are illegal for pursuing game. While a couple friends can help you spot game and use hand signals or meet up at the end of the day, our restrictions on electronic communication have greatly limited posse hunting. Fine with me.

 

[okielite]

We don't have to consider this question in Montana where two way radios, text messages, etc. are illegal for pursuing game. While a couple friends can help you spot game and use hand signals or meet up at the end of the day, our restrictions on electronic communication have greatly limited posse hunting. Fine with me.

Do you think the regulations prevent it from happening or do you think it is simply not enforced?

My guess would be the latter as stopping people from texting is pretty much impossible and now with things like the delorme in reach where you can text via satellite they can pretty much text from anywhere.

 

[joelweb]

Do you think the regulations prevent it from happening or do you think it is simply not enforced?

My guess would be the latter as stopping people from texting is pretty much impossible and now with things like the delorme in reach where you can text via satellite they can pretty much text from anywhere.

From what I have witnessed, people are not visibly hunting with electronic communication in Montana. I'm sure it is happening, but to much less of a degree than other states. I hunt all over the West and have seen the difference first-hand. Posse hunting just isn't a thing here and most people appear to be following the law.

 

[tim]

not every where in Montana or Idaho gets cell signals. So texting might be a terrain thing, more than a people thing.

 

[okielite]

From what I have witnessed, people are not visibly hunting with electronic communication in Montana. I'm sure it is happening, but to much less of a degree than other states. I hunt all over the West and have seen the difference first-hand. Posse hunting just isn't a thing here and most people appear to be following the law.

I wish I could believe that but I have hard time believing that people leave their phones in the truck and dont' use other electronics like delorme or spot to communicate with other hunters while in Montana. My guess is many people dont' realize they are breaking the law by texting someone while hunting. To be honest I'm not exactly clear what would be considered illegal as far as communicating while hunting in Montana.

I want to believe that most people do what is right but Elk have a way of making people do things they normally would not do it seems.

Montana certainly has their fair share of group hunts from gangs of outfitters in planes and 4 wheelers hunting trophy sheep in the breaks to old fashioned from the road shootouts into herds of elk on public land.

December 04, 2014 9:42 am • By Tom Kuglin Helena Independent Record
HELENA – Coming on the heels of reports that hunters near Townsend allegedly used vehicles to surround elk near public roads on Thanksgiving Day, area outfitter and Republican state Rep. Kelly Flynn said he is considering legislation to increase fines for several hunting violations.

Near the intersection of Sandhill Lane and U.S. Highway 12 a little more than three miles east of Townsend, a herd of 200 to 250 elk made their way onto ground open to public hunting. The elk were highly visible and some of those in pursuit allegedly used vehicles to surround the herd and shot from the road.

“It was another big gathering of elk and another big gathering of people,” said Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks Warden Sgt. Dave Loewen. “There were definitely some elk shot and a couple wounded.”

 

[joelweb]

Montanan's aren't all saints, but a gang of spotters with two-way radios is straight up illegal. You can't post sentinels on every ridge, equip them with a radio and expect to get away with it. You notice the difference in the field and it is refreshing. That's all I'm saying.

With that said, start talking about 190 inch sheep and folks will be breaking the rules.

 

[25contender]

This is so true the areas I have been hunting in Montana since the late 1980s don't have any cell service at all. I turn off my phone when I loose service about 10 miles from the trail head and leave it in the truck when I hunt. I carry a camera with me so I don't even bring it in with me. Also you cannot use trail cameras in Montana during any hunting season. I believe that went into effect in 2010?

not every where in Montana or Idaho gets cell signals. So texting might be a terrain thing, more than a people thing.