!!Very disappionted with Remington!!

[southernidahohunter]

I have owned a model 700 for almost 20 years that has served me well and still shoots very nicely and accurately, I would never sell it. That said, ever since Remington was acquired by Freedom Group their quality has dropped off, as has the quality of the other brands under this group. I have talked to a lot of the gun shops in my area and most of them say the two guns that get returned more than any other are the Remington 700s and 870s, followed by the Marlin lever guns-another Freedom Group brand. I don't think that I would but another new Remington product (or any Freedom Group product) unless they can turn this trend around, but I don't think that is very likely.

 

[RockChucker30]

The new Remington's and the new Marlins don't impress me at all. Winchester is nothing but a trade name now. Sad story.

FWIW I think Tikka is eating Remington's lunch for a production rifle.


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[southernidahohunter]

The new Remington's and the new Marlins don't impress me at all. Winchester is nothing but a trade name now. Sad story.

FWIW I think Tikka is eating Remington's lunch for a production rifle.


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If not, they should be. Tikka is probably the best deal in hunting rifles right now. Even though Winchester is not made by Winchester, the model 70 is still one of the better production rifles on the market. I have also been very impressed by the Browning X-Bolt.

 

[Topgun 30-06]

My Model 700 .270 Win is 40 years' old. Does anyone know what trigger Remington used then? I do know that I've never had any problem with that rifle. Should I put a Timney on it or stay with the factory trigger?

If it's that old it has the Walker "Fire Control" trigger in it that has resulted in over 20 lawsuits for deaths caused when the rifles fired without touching the trigger and people had them pointed in the wrong direction. There have also been many thousands of people that have had them fire that way and thank God they were being handled properly and nobody got hurt. I'd not take that gun out of the house again before I put an aftermarket trigger in it because you never know with the old trigger when it will malfunction and all it takes is one time!

 

[WapitiBob]

The only thing left on mine that's Remington is the action. I put a Jewell trigger in it.

 

[SansSouci]

Topgun 30-06,

Thank you so much for your very helpful info. It has shaken me to a very scary reality.

My brother had an accidental discharge with my Model 700 while he was unloading it while we were on a Utah deer hunt. Thank God he had it pointing toward Heaven. I attributed his accidental discharge to his having his finger on the trigger while taking the safety off. I do know that the safety has to be off before the bolt will open to unload it. Just the thought of it firing without touching the trigger scares the hell out of me. Thank God I've been lucky since I've owned it and the hunting tips on which I've used it. As we all know, eventually luck runs out. And when it comes to guns, luck running out is never good.

Your post has caused me to rethink the rifle I will use on this year's elk hunt. I will use my Sako 7MM Rem Mag. I'm going to email my gunsmith and see if he can make my Model 700 100% safe before early Sept. I know that he's busy as heck, so he might not be able to fix its trigger. And if he can't, I'll use my Sako and take my Featherweight .308 Win as back-up.

Topgun, just thinking about your info while I'm typing this scares the hell out of me. As we know, there is little chance of surviving a centerfire rifle accident. And God forbid, were such an accident to occur, there would be two victims: the person accidentally shot and the person responsible for the accident, for he'd assuredly be as good as living dead for having to live with such an accident. I am not going to use a rifle that I know is not 100% safe. No big game animal in the world is worth even the possibility of a horrible accident.

BTW, do you think that my 40+ year old Model 700 is a Remington recalled rifle? I won't send it to Remington, but if it is a recalled rifle, maybe Remington will pay the cost of making it 100% safe.

Topgun, thank you so, so much. You have no idea how much I appreciate your potentially life-saving help.


Take care,

SS

 

[SansSouci]

southernidahohunter,

I have yet to read a single negative comment from any poster on any Website about Tikka. Were I to want a new rifle, Tikka would probably get my first look.

BTW, I have just learned that my 40+ year old Model 700 is potentially dangerous. If it can't be made to be 100% safe, it's as good as gone & I'll replace it with probably a Tikka.

 

[Topgun 30-06]

Topgun 30-06,

Thank you so much for your very helpful info. It has shaken me to a very scary reality.

My brother had an accidental discharge with my Model 700 while he was unloading it while we were on a Utah deer hunt. Thank God he had it pointing toward Heaven. I attributed his accidental discharge to his having his finger on the trigger while taking the safety off. I do know that the safety has to be off before the bolt will open to unload it. Just the thought of it firing without touching the trigger scares the hell out of me. Thank God I've been lucky since I've owned it and the hunting tips on which I've used it. As we all know, eventually luck runs out. And when it comes to guns, luck running out is never good.

Your post has caused me to rethink the rifle I will use on this year's elk hunt. I will use my Sako 7MM Rem Mag. I'm going to email my gunsmith and see if he can make my Model 700 100% safe before early Sept. I know that he's busy as heck, so he might not be able to fix its trigger. And if he can't, I'll use my Sako and take my Featherweight .308 Win as back-up.

Topgun, just thinking about your info while I'm typing this scares the hell out of me. As we know, there is little chance of surviving a centerfire rifle accident. And God forbid, were such an accident to occur, there would be two victims: the person accidentally shot and the person responsible for the accident, for he'd assuredly be as good as living dead for having to live with such an accident. I am not going to use a rifle that I know is not 100% safe. No big game animal in the world is worth even the possibility of a horrible accident.

BTW, do you think that my 40+ year old Model 700 is a Remington recalled rifle? I won't send it to Remington, but if it is a recalled rifle, maybe Remington will pay the cost of making it 100% safe.

Topgun, thank you so, so much. You have no idea how much I appreciate your potentially life-saving help.


Take care,

SS

I don't know how many people I've read on various forums that have had incidents like you mentioned your brother had, but it is a bunch! Remington never really did a recall on all the rifles they produced with that Walker trigger in them and they started making them back when Mike Walker worked for them and designed it in the late 40s! They were in the 700 until about 2005-07 when they introduced the xmark that is now under recall. Shortly after they were introduced in the 40s there were problems with accidental misfires and Walker himself asked the Remington top brass to let him change the design and recall what had been sold. At that time the number produced was not that large and the figure to change the design and change to what he wanted was estimated to be 5 1/2 cents per rifle! The top brass said no and it's all documented in memos that were obtained from company records in a lot of the court cases they settled out of court. As a part of the settlements the plaintiffs are not allowed to discuss their cases and remington was able to stay out of a lot of other lawsuits that probably would have been filed. The changeover to an aftermarket is pretty simple and if you can read simple directions you should be able to do the change yourself for just the cost of the new trigger. If you can't do it or get it done before your hunt, the Sako you have will be a perfect replacement. I have two Sakos in .243 and 30-06, as well as a pre 64 Model 70 in 30-06 and will never sell those three "go to" rifles of all the ones in my two safes.

 

[droptine]

This rifle is not my primary rifle. But it will be my backup rifle and my deer hunting rifle, so I hope it gets done soon. I put a Nosler M48 Patriot in 300 win mag on layaway which will be my primary rifle for my Montana trip. Has anyone heard much on these rifles? When I handled one at the gunshop, they seemed really nice and fit me even better so I decided to go with that. Thanks guys for all the input

 

[Musket Man]

There have also been many thousands of people that have had them fire that way and thank God they were being handled properly and nobody got hurt.

I am 1 of them. Im not sure how old the gun was but it happened 20 years ago. Touched the safety and it went off. luckily it was pointed up and no one was hurt. I was given another 700 after that and it has been a good but I have always had a hard time trusting it and that is alot of why I hunt with a model 70 Winchester now.

 

[buckbull]

southernidahohunter,

I have yet to read a single negative comment from any poster on any Website about Tikka. Were I to want a new rifle, Tikka would probably get my first look.

BTW, I have just learned that my 40+ year old Model 700 is potentially dangerous. If it can't be made to be 100% safe, it's as good as gone & I'll replace it with probably a Tikka.

There is (or used to be) a scathing review of the tikka on chuck hawks website. With that said, I own a tikka t3 hunter and love it. Light enough to carry in the mountains and very accurate with nosler partitions. I think the best economy rifle these days has to go to the weatherby vanguard 2.

 

[Eberle]

I agree with woodtick. The 700 is the best action out there. I have several model 700's & they are my prefered rifle. I have a 700 SPS Stainless in a 300 Win Mag. It had the Xmark pro trigger, when I learned about the recall. I bought a new timney & changed it out. You can buy straight from timney. A black one is $134 & a nickel is $144. They are adjustable from 1.5 - 4 lbs. They will pre-set them where you tell them to. My advice to any one having problems is to start changing out parts. Put a timney or jewell trigger in it. Replace the barrel with a hart or shilen. Replace the stock with a Boyd or McMillan, ect....

 

[Musket Man]

I agree with woodtick. The 700 is the best action out there.

I completely disagree. The model 70 Win (or similar actions) is a much more reliable and much safer action. The safety is 100% reliable in the bolt locking the firing pin its self, not just in the trigger. The CRF is also more reliable and so is the extractor.

 

[ivorytip]

I completely disagree. The model 70 Win (or similar actions) is a much more reliable and much safer action. The safety is 100% reliable in the bolt locking the firing pin its self, not just in the trigger. The CRF is also more reliable and so is the extractor.

this is true, realy doesnt get much better than the model 70

 

[Topgun 30-06]

I completely disagree. The model 70 Win (or similar actions) is a much more reliable and much safer action. The safety is 100% reliable in the bolt locking the firing pin its self, not just in the trigger. The CRF is also more reliable and so is the extractor.

IMHO the reason why so many people swear by the Remington action is because they have never picked up a CRF Model 70 to compare them. I'd be willing to bet that if that happened there would be a lot of Remington lovers that changed their mind about "the best action"!!! Again, IMHO the old Model 70 is THE BEST BOLT ACTION RIFLE EVER MADE!

 

[Eberle]

I have Winchester Pre 64 in a 264 Win Mag my Dad gave me. I still prefer a Model 700, that's what I started shooting when I was kid. I guess it's what you get use to & have faith in? Just my opinion......chevy, ford, dodge..... Same Argument! LOL

 

[Hilltop]

I have several model 700s in different calibers. All of them shoot very good. I have other brands as well but have been very happy with the accuracy out of the 700s. No incidents here but I have been getting the letters... Not sure what I will do. Thanks for all the good input on this topic.

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

I really like my original tang safety Ruger M77. Bought it in 1975 and have shot 1000's of rounds thru it without any problems. The pre 64 M70 is a classic. Fit and finish cannot be duplicated today without spend lots of $$$.

 

[Timberstalker]

Sorry about the ordeal you guys are having with your Remington's! Man what a pain. I think I will just keep my old Winchester M70's till I die.

 

[shootbrownelk]

If it's that old it has the Walker "Fire Control" trigger in it that has resulted in over 20 lawsuits for deaths caused when the rifles fired without touching the trigger and people had them pointed in the wrong direction. There have also been many thousands of people that have had them fire that way and thank God they were being handled properly and nobody got hurt. I'd not take that gun out of the house again before I put an aftermarket trigger in it because you never know with the old trigger when it will malfunction and all it takes is one time!

I had a "slam-fire" on a Remington 700 years and years ago. The one and only time, traded that one in. I only have 1 now because I inherited it from my best friend who passed.