Is Wyoming Indian Reservation land as identified by BLM map considered private land as in several other states I have hunted?
Wyoming Indian Reservation land
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HiMtnHnter
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Colorado Cowboy
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Every Rez I have hunted, none in WY so far, is more like a separate state. I needed the tribe license and tag, they had a G & F Dept with their own wardens. Some allow non-members to hunt, some don't. Their web site will usually tell you, best to check as it is entirely possible for a friendly tribe member land owner or lessee you ask to say sure hunt, but the odds are a tribal warden will want to see your Rez tag.
Againstthewind
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http://shoshone-arapaho-tribal-court.org/PDF/Title_XVI.pdf
Yep, I am pretty sure what Tim and the rest have said. I have never tried to get one, and I don't know how many permits they give out to non-tribal members if any at all. I didn't find that right away. Fishing is the same. Hopefully next weekend I will make it to Thermop. and try out the river. Its supposed to be fishing pretty dang good.
Yep, I am pretty sure what Tim and the rest have said. I have never tried to get one, and I don't know how many permits they give out to non-tribal members if any at all. I didn't find that right away. Fishing is the same. Hopefully next weekend I will make it to Thermop. and try out the river. Its supposed to be fishing pretty dang good.
HiMtnHnter
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HiMtnHnter
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Section 16-8-11 Hunting by Non-Members Prohibited
There shall be no hunting by persons other than enrolled members of the Shoshone and
Arapaho Tribes on any Indian land of the Reservation. Non-enrolled spouses of tribal members
are not allowed to hunt.
The beauty of it is just pick another Rez. You will find something you want to do, on a Rez where you can do it, likely close to WY if that is a regular destination for you. There are other Rez's closer to you than WY, where one can find very good hunting with a shorter trip. Many great opportunities, a number are what I'd consider under appreciated. Their seasons often overlap a near by state season, allowing you to hunt twice in close proximity on one trip.
Colorado Cowboy
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The really sad thing (and little known) is that native americans can hunt almost anywhere, at anytime and without a license here in Colorado (and in many western states too!). By treaty they are allowed to hunt on their historical hunting lands. It is my understanding that when push comes to shove, it applies to private property too. Around here nobody really wants to talk about it because of the close proximity to 2 reservations.
There have been some real ugly situations with this issue. I know of some contentious ones in WA in the 90's when I was there. I think a few ended up in court, but did not follow them as I moved to OR. WY has an issue now, which depending on which SCOTUS case you like, could go either way if litigated. I think it comes down to the language in the treaty with respect to historical lands, which as I understand it are sometimes referred to as unclaimed by the state. Then the commitment of the state to act and the willingness of the state and tribe to cooperate. It can be a real mess for sure.
In God We Trust
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GoHUnt.com has an article about this exact thing on their site today. It is titled "Wyoming VS. Crow Nation". It is a good read. I hope the Supreme Court puts an end to this madness once and for all. No one should be able to hunt on public land outside of legal seasons. This whole idea of people hunting whenever they want because of a 150 year old treaty clause that doesn't apply to today's wild game management is insane.
laxwyo
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Their land, their nation, their rules. Wyoming has our rules. Utah has theirs. I think bow hunting mule deer in August is dumb but Utah thinks it's ok
HiMtnHnter
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I believe your talking about the Brunot Treaty area. It's a giant area. The rut is the best time to hunt in those parts. . ..
Againstthewind
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In God We Trust
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The problem is they are hunting on Wyoming's land out of season. I agree they can do what they want on their land but when they start breaking hunting laws off of their land it becomes a problem.
shootbrownelk
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Let's see if I have this right. Indians can hunt on any federal land at any time, but we palefaces cannot hunt on tribal lands. IMO 150+ years is a long time...that was then, this is now. We're all Americans after all. There is no way that Indians should be able to hunt out of established hunting seasons. I just read in the newspaper last Thursday that Wyoming G&F has charged certain members of the Crow tribe of Montana of poaching 8 bull elk in Wyoming, taking some of the meat while leaving most of it to rot.
I don't care where you hunt, but losing 8 legal bulls is a rather hard hit on the resource. Some of the bulls were trophy 6x6's.
One of the Indians charged has filed a lawsuit....If they want to hunt per a 150 year old treaty, then the same weapons used then, should be required to be used now. A good horse and a bow and arrow. Not a AR-10 .308 with a 30rd. mag.
Colorado Cowboy
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Read the article and it is right on a lot of counts. I really don't know how much of this goes on in my area of Colorado because no one from Parks & Wildlife wants to talk about it. I have a neighbor who is a P & W officer and all he will say is "no comment". I do know that both Ute reservations here do not allow outside, non tribal hunting. Their lands have elk & deer populations.
I recall years ago the Indians from MN and WI "legally" speared spawning walleyes in WI according to some ancient treaty. The funny thing was some of the bodies of water didn't even have walleyes in them when the treaties were signed. Instead the walleyes were later introduced to the lakes by the WI DNR for sport fishing. The spearing was a hot button issue 25 years ago. I don't know if it was ever resolved.
If they want to hunt per a 150 year old treaty, then the same weapons used then, should be required to be used now. A good horse and a bow and arrow. Not a AR-10 .308 with a 30rd. mag. I agree with this!! I've said this many times myself, I know we have native Americans and part native on here and I truly hope this thread offends nobody. this is a big prob over in my area, we have natives not even living on the res but still collecting like they do. I have many of native friends, being how I live across the river from the res, but this is still an issue across the country. things need changed: never will be but they need changed..... as far as hunting goes...