A question about the antelope draw/points system in Wyoming. I have had business dealings with a very nice person that has stated to me that he own's a small ranch in unit#42 and said that me and my friend could go there this year and hunt a buck antelope. (he has showed me pictures of some ok bucks that he has shot there). My question is my friend and I have 3 points each for antelope and I don't want to burn these points for this hunt but I need to make sure we draw this tag for 2015. Do you loss your points in the special draw if you draw your second choice? Do the points help you at all for a second choice? The best way that I can see is the random special draw (no points used) and put in first choice for a trophy unit and use #42 as my second choice. Is this the best way to go? and cheapest? Sorry for being so long winded.
Wyoming Antelope points ?
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NDHunter
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You are on the right track. You will NOT lose your points drawing it as a 2nd choice. Do just as you said, put in a trophy unit for your 1st choice and 42 as 2nd choice. Your points don't help in the random draw. Looks like you should draw it 2nd choice no problem in the special draw.
PlainsHunter
Active Member
Yes to what ND Hunter said. You only lose your points if you draw your 1st choice.
You'd end up in a lottery for 2nd choice tags. No preference given to PP's.
Last year there were 25 tags left after the 1st choice draw and 10 people applied as a 2nd so you would have drawn last year in the special as your 2nd choice and you'd have kept your PP's.
Topgun 30-06
Banned
PH and bullmag---That isn't the draw you would be in to start with if that's what you think, but I'm not sure if that was what PH meant. The only choice you have is whether to go into the Special PP Draw or the Regular PP Draw. You cannot choose to go into that Random Draw that doesn't use PPs that was mentioned when you apply that had that number of tags. Yes, you need to put what you feel is an impossible unit to draw as a first choice in the Special PP Draw, but you will then go into the random draw where no points are used for another chance at that first choice tag, not the second choice one. If you happen to draw in that one, you will lose your PPs because it's still for your first choice. Only if there are leftover tags for 42-1 would you then go into that draw for those tags and if you look in the other draws for that 42-1 tag there are people that would be in it with him for the few tags that might be left and there would be no guarantee you would draw the tag there. Unless I'm misreading what was stated, it's not as simple as he made it out to be.
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PlainsHunter
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TG- I over simplified. OP would need to put in for the special preference point draw. Then put in for a difficult to draw first choice unit, not draw 1st choice, and then there would have to be tags left in the 2nd choice pool in the special draw for area 42 type 1 and you'd be in a lottery with the other 2nd choice people.
And there is the chance that the OP could draw their 1st choice area in the random portion of the draw as 25% of the tags are random and PP's have no bearing on this portion of the 1st choice lottery. They'd then lose their PP's as they have now drawn their 1st choice. Correct?
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And there is the chance that the OP could draw their 1st choice area in the random portion of the draw as 25% of the tags are random and PP's have no bearing on this portion of the 1st choice lottery. They'd then lose their PP's as they have now drawn their 1st choice. Correct?
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TG- I am trying to under stand this, If I put in for a super hard to draw tag NR special random draw and I don't draw this hunt and I put 42-1 as my second choice (if this was 2014) I would get the tag cause it had no first choice apps. 10 second choice and 13 third choice apps with a total of 25 tags quote? Sorry for the confusion I went back and read my first post and I didn't say special random draw. This would mean that I would also have to buy a point later to add a point to my total is this correct? I can put in for any ONE of these tags separately? Random draw no points used. But can you still buy a point or if you get a tag you can't get a point that year? In the random draw?
ANTELOPE
Random Draw
Non-Resident
Non-Resident Special
Preference Points
Non-Resident
Non-Resident Special
Doe/Fawn
Non-Resident
ANTELOPE
Random Draw
Non-Resident
Non-Resident Special
Preference Points
Non-Resident
Non-Resident Special
Doe/Fawn
Non-Resident
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NDHunter
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I'm pretty sure you knew how all this worked to start with but now it is getting overcomplicated. Here's a simplified version of what will probably happen: You will apply in the special drawing, put a premier unit first and chances are good you won't draw. Assuming you don't draw and based off of last year's drawing, your 2nd choice of 42 will have tags available and you will draw it as a 2nd choice.
That's the easy version. It isn't a guarantee but is very likely as to what will happen. And if doesn't, well then that's just how the draw goes sometimes.
If you want to get into the how's, why's and what if's of the draw, that's fine and people on here will help you understand all of that.
Oh and when you apply, I'm pretty sure there is an option of whether you want a preference point or not. Just check the box and then you will also have to pay for and get your point for next year. (Assuming you don't draw your first choice.)
That's the easy version. It isn't a guarantee but is very likely as to what will happen. And if doesn't, well then that's just how the draw goes sometimes.
If you want to get into the how's, why's and what if's of the draw, that's fine and people on here will help you understand all of that.
Oh and when you apply, I'm pretty sure there is an option of whether you want a preference point or not. Just check the box and then you will also have to pay for and get your point for next year. (Assuming you don't draw your first choice.)
Topgun 30-06
Banned
That is correct! However, in his last post he's still talking about putting in for the Special Random and he can't do that because he has PPs. That's where I'm trying to tell him he's incorrect about the way he can apply. That is also why he's making a big gamble hoping to get that tag as a second choice in the draw this year because some may decide to burn their PPs before the probable fee increase takes place in 2016 along with some that made it their third choice last year possibly putting it as their second this year, etc. The only 100% sure way he's going to get that tag in 2015 is put in for it as a first choice and it doesn't sound like he wants to do that. Yes, he can buy a PP when he applies by paying the extra $30. If he draws a first choice they would refund that $30. He can also wait and buy the PP between 7/1 and 9/30 IF he doesn't draw a first choice tag since you can't do both in the same year.
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