B&C Blacktails
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Wolfs in CA
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Colorado Cowboy
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sneakypete
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Musket Man
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Colorado Cowboy
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Born & raised in California and lived there until I retired in 2000 at age 58. Since the 70's it has pretty much been that way and getting worse.
I grew up in southern Cali and know how it is, I was one of them until my mid-teens. 2 weeks a year was all I spent in the mountains until I moved to NV.
My girlfriend is pulling out next weekend from northern Cali and heading to northern AZ. Think it is more than the right choice.
B&C Blacktails
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Of coarse wolves eat meat wild or domestic. What do you think, beef and sheep have no impact on the deer and elk herds either? I am not concerned about a few wolves. Anyways the ranchers will be out watching for wolves and protect their livelihood with some well placed shots.
Colorado Cowboy
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My comment was meant to be "tongue in cheek" ....the 2 legged animals are next!! Just like the lions do now!
quicknick
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It really is pretty concerning. Where does ca dow expect to get money from if not from hunters buying tags. Hunting in this state is already so poor introducing wolves to that equation is the final nail to the coffin. Unregulated mountain lions and now protected wolves, whats next, sabertooth cats?!
Colorado Cowboy
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I think wolves will be more of a problem in California than other western states. If this pack expands (I guess its when, not if) to more packs, their logical expansion would be south into the Sierras. There are no elk in the Sierras, so the deer will suffer even more than they do now from the increased lion population. They could also expand west into the coastal areas and the elk there will get hit hard.
Not a good future for the deer and small population of elk in California. After hunting California for the first 50 years of my life, I will never go back.
Not a good future for the deer and small population of elk in California. After hunting California for the first 50 years of my life, I will never go back.
Green groups have proposed transplanting problem Yellowstone bears there.
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TimberJunkie
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Yup, thats unfortunate... I know where they are if that mnakes any difference. well, to with in a five mile radius.
shootbrownelk
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If they could just be trained to feed on GangBangers that would solve a lot of problems.
dustin ray
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id rather see grizz bear in areas than I would wolves, but problem grizz bears shouldn't be transplanted anywhere. I cant wait unil I can do a grizz hunt in the lower 48. each year I see more and more sign in areas that "holds no grizzlies". these agencies think they wont cross a road into a different zone, or swim a lake into a different unit??? sorry cali, if you see a wolf in your state, shoot.
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Kevin Root
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It will be interesting to see how the wolf packs will be managed. My thought is that they will probably be managed similar to how mountain lions are managed here in CA, much by depredation permits and or reported problem lions killed by the state or by folks killing them in car collisions. I do not think they will ever have mountain lion hunting in California like they had prior to 1971. And, I would be highly shocked to see a season open here for wolves even when the numbers and packs become a problem. They will most likely be handled in a similar way as mountain lions mostly by the state paid hunters, depredation permits or accidental deaths.
In 1972 a legislative moratorium signed by Governor Ronald Reagan suspended the mountain lion hunt. A direct vote of the citizenry, Proposition 117, ended sport hunting of California lions in 1990. With the passage of Proposition 117 in 1990, mountain lions became a "specially protected species," making mountain lion hunting illegal in California. This status and other statutes prohibit the California Department of Fish and Wildlife from recommending a hunting season for lions, and it is illegal to take, injure, possess, transport, import, or sell any mountain lion or part of a mountain lion. Mountain lions may be killed only 1) if a depredation permit is issued to take a specific lion killing livestock or pets; 2) to preserve public safety; or 3) to protect listed bighorn sheep.
It"s interesting to me that when talked about why the deer trend has declined over the years the California Fish and Wildlife leaves out or it seems to sugar coat it in the very least, lack of predator control or super predator numbers increase not being a factor for the decline. I found the below on the Ca fish and wildlife site describing deer decline. I'm not a wildlife biologist but looking at the dates when the mountain lion hunting was suspended in 1972, I can't help to think that has been a factor too. I'm sure all those factors below are true but along with adding more human predators or high human population and adding more super predators like wolves, mountain lion and possible grizzlies on the horizon that has to be a big factor too. More and more California hunters are hunting out of state and can you blame us?
"As with most deer herds in California and other western states, the long-term population trend has been on a steady decline since the 1960’s and 1970’s. These long-term declines have been due to land management practices that have precluded fire, resulting in changes toward more mature and less diverse habitats, and reduced quality and quantity of deer habitats. Short-term fluctuations in deer populations are usually attributed to weather events that affect forage production."
In 1972 a legislative moratorium signed by Governor Ronald Reagan suspended the mountain lion hunt. A direct vote of the citizenry, Proposition 117, ended sport hunting of California lions in 1990. With the passage of Proposition 117 in 1990, mountain lions became a "specially protected species," making mountain lion hunting illegal in California. This status and other statutes prohibit the California Department of Fish and Wildlife from recommending a hunting season for lions, and it is illegal to take, injure, possess, transport, import, or sell any mountain lion or part of a mountain lion. Mountain lions may be killed only 1) if a depredation permit is issued to take a specific lion killing livestock or pets; 2) to preserve public safety; or 3) to protect listed bighorn sheep.
It"s interesting to me that when talked about why the deer trend has declined over the years the California Fish and Wildlife leaves out or it seems to sugar coat it in the very least, lack of predator control or super predator numbers increase not being a factor for the decline. I found the below on the Ca fish and wildlife site describing deer decline. I'm not a wildlife biologist but looking at the dates when the mountain lion hunting was suspended in 1972, I can't help to think that has been a factor too. I'm sure all those factors below are true but along with adding more human predators or high human population and adding more super predators like wolves, mountain lion and possible grizzlies on the horizon that has to be a big factor too. More and more California hunters are hunting out of state and can you blame us?
"As with most deer herds in California and other western states, the long-term population trend has been on a steady decline since the 1960’s and 1970’s. These long-term declines have been due to land management practices that have precluded fire, resulting in changes toward more mature and less diverse habitats, and reduced quality and quantity of deer habitats. Short-term fluctuations in deer populations are usually attributed to weather events that affect forage production."