Wolf killed in Kremmling Colorado!

[coloradoshedhead]

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If you enjoy deer and elk hunting siding with wolves are probably not in your best interests. Unless you want to add another population detriment to the struggling deer herd. This would also slam the elk population lower than the cpw has. I guess there are always opposing sides to every situation, but as a hunter having wolves would not help anything in Colorado.

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

That's largely my opinion as well.

It doesn't sound like the shooter intended to kill a wolf (he probably wouldn't have called the authorities if he did). So I don't think he should be charged for a mistake.

However, I also don't really understand the animosity toward wolves. I realize that they have greatly impacted game populations in some states but my understanding is that those are the reintroduced Canadian wolves while this was a grey wolf. Also, it seems to me that an animal that has been here longer than we have has a right to exist and probably more of a right than a few domestic sheep it would likely kill.

I'm all for the responsible management of predators and am not any sort of bunny hugger, this is just my wolf opinion.

On a similar note, I mentioned to someone recently that the extirpation of the American bison was one of the greatest wildlife tragedies of all time. The response I got was "but there's no where for them to live now". It seems short sighted to me, much the same as the common attitude toward native predator populations.

I suppose evolution probably taught the human mind to dislike resource competition.

As I understand it the native wolves in the northern Rockies in the US were Timber Wolves. I believe the "grey wolf" and the Canadian/Alaskan wolves are the same. No matter what you call them, wolves were extinct in and around Yellowstone where the Canadian wolf was turned loose. They were not reintroduced because they were never there before.

 

[coloradoshedhead]

That's largely my opinion as well.

It doesn't sound like the shooter intended to kill a wolf (he probably wouldn't have called the authorities if he did). So I don't think he should be charged for a mistake.

However, I also don't really understand the animosity toward wolves. I realize that they have greatly impacted game populations in some states but my understanding is that those are the reintroduced Canadian wolves while this was a grey wolf. Also, it seems to me that an animal that has been here longer than we have has a right to exist and probably more of a right than a few domestic sheep it would likely kill.

I'm all for the responsible management of predators and am not any sort of bunny hugger, this is just my wolf opinion.

On a similar note, I mentioned to someone recently that the extirpation of the American bison was one of the greatest wildlife tragedies of all time. The response I got was "but there's no where for them to live now". It seems short sighted to me, much the same as the common attitude toward native predator populations.

I suppose evolution probably taught the human mind to dislike resource competition.

I'm not trying to sound attacking, but you do sound like a bunny hugger. Wolves don't take out a few sheep they take out "flocks" of sheep at a time, not just a "few".
Maintaining balance with wolves in our current environment in not feasilble with factors like wildlife agencies selling big/small game tags, and farmers/ranchers supporting the backbone of America. The economy is what we made it and states who have faced this hardship(Wyoming, Montana and Idaho) are perfect examples of why wolves shouldn't be reintroduced into our ecosystem.
Not only that, but the very people who would probably be in favor of bringing wolves back are the ones walking down a trail in their open space in suburban Denver are the ones who's dogs get attacked by coyotes, the wolves more sissy cousin and later complaining to the CPW that there are predators too close to Denver. You can't have it both ways sir.

 

[Head in the Clouds]

As I understand it the native wolves in the northern Rockies in the US were Timber Wolves. I believe the "grey wolf" and the Canadian/Alaskan wolves are the same. No matter what you call them, wolves were extinct in and around Yellowstone where the Canadian wolf was turned loose. They were not reintroduced because they were never there before.

I wasn't sure if I had that timber/grey/Alaskan deal straight. I thought the grey was the native.

 

[Head in the Clouds]

I wasn't talking about siding with or bringing back wolves. I meant it seems to me that if a formerly native and protected species should come back that they should be responsibly managed.

I'm all for shooting them, just maybe not all of them.

 

[In God We Trust]

That's largely my opinion as well.

It doesn't sound like the shooter intended to kill a wolf (he probably wouldn't have called the authorities if he did). So I don't think he should be charged for a mistake.

However, I also don't really understand the animosity toward wolves. I realize that they have greatly impacted game populations in some states but my understanding is that those are the reintroduced Canadian wolves while this was a grey wolf. Also, it seems to me that an animal that has been here longer than we have has a right to exist and probably more of a right than a few domestic sheep it would likely kill.

I'm all for the responsible management of predators and am not any sort of bunny hugger, this is just my wolf opinion.

On a similar note, I mentioned to someone recently that the extirpation of the American bison was one of the greatest wildlife tragedies of all time. The response I got was "but there's no where for them to live now". It seems short sighted to me, much the same as the common attitude toward native predator populations.

I suppose evolution probably taught the human mind to dislike resource competition.

I agree wolves have a place in the west. They do need to be managed like all other game and non game populations. The North American Wildlife model does not work if predator populations are allowed to go unchecked. We found that out the hard way in Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana. These viewpoints have been argued many times on this forum. As I previously stated the CPW has not handled this well and is now looking at pressing charges on a guy that did the right thing. I don't see this thread as a wolf hating thread.

 

[Manualman]

How long till the western states admit to how many brush wolves they have now. You don't hear a word about them

 

[shootbrownelk]

I agree wolves have a place in the west. They do need to be managed like all other game and non game populations. The North American Wildlife model does not work if predator populations are allowed to go unchecked. We found that out the hard way in Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana. These viewpoints have been argued many times on this forum. As I previously stated the CPW has not handled this well and is now looking at pressing charges on a guy that did the right thing. I don't see this thread as a wolf hating thread.

I agree, the wolf has a place in the west. Under the dirt......ooops. I must be a wolf hater.

 

[mnhoundman]

I agree, the wolf has a place in the west. Under the dirt......ooops. I must be a wolf hater.

Yes!!! Wildlife was thriving without them, stupid to bring them back, soon there will only be the wolf!!

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

I agree wolves have a place in the west. They do need to be managed like all other game and non game populations. The North American Wildlife model does not work if predator populations are allowed to go unchecked. We found that out the hard way in Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana.

California has found out the hard way about making the lions totally protected. The deer populations in a lot of areas has been decimated.

 

[Granby guy]

That wolf has been there for 2-3 years. I know quite a few people that have seen him.

 

[WY ME]

I agree, the wolf has a place in the west. Under the dirt......ooops. I must be a wolf hater.

LOL!

When I was young I was taught that a pack of dogs running deer was a bad thing. Now in the new PC America they say that a pack of wolves running game is good for the health of the deer, elk, moose, etc. Which is it?

 

[ivorytip]

LOL!

When I was young I was taught that a pack of dogs running deer was a bad thing. Now in the new PC America they say that a pack of wolves running game is good for the health of the deer, elk, moose, etc. Which is it?

im so glad you posted this. brings up a whole slew of things that I wont bring up here. good post!

 

[Elkoholic307]

As I understand it the native wolves in the northern Rockies in the US were Timber Wolves. I believe the "grey wolf" and the Canadian/Alaskan wolves are the same. No matter what you call them, wolves were extinct in and around Yellowstone where the Canadian wolf was turned loose. They were not reintroduced because they were never there before.

I think you're right, CC. Timber wolves are native to our region. The gray wolf is not.

Unfortunately, gray wolves are what we have now. They are bigger, more aggressive and more pack oriented.

Is it too late to make a trade?

 

[libidilatimmy]

And what doesn't get talked about much anymore was the fact that the wolf biologists at the time were finding dead timber wolves that weren't supposed to be there in the grey wolf introduction areas as the grey's were killing off for territorial rights. The introduction of the Grey wolf actually made sure that the timber wolves were wiped out in the region.

 

[JPSeveland]

Not the first wolf i have seen in the kremmling area. Last year deer hunting we seen 3 wolfs and multiple tracks only 5 miles from this wolf.

 

[xtreme]

Right Scott. We want them to keep denying we have them for all concerned.

 

[xtreme]

I don't think it would be poaching at this point. I know I would be hated but I would shoot the last one. My grandson had one for a pet. Someone shot it, thanks to who ever did that. The more I know about them the less I like them. I reached for the collar on a purebred Alaskan grey wolf and he grabbed my hand but never applied pressure. This happened while he was free and on a highway. I turned and walked away, I don't know where he went, but he did not get hit by an auto.
Wolves do so much damage. I cant understand why there is not a bounty.