Wisconsin Bownters unite

[CrimsonArrow]

Yep ill give you that, I just looked up the new Matthews Triax it weighs 4.4#s, I shoot a parker crossbow (newest 1 I could find that was the lightest weight comes in at 6.9#s). So yep you have to draw your bow back with 80% let off, I have to hold my crossbow steady with at least 2.5 more pounds of weight. Don't wanna bust your bubbles but the truth is that its pretty much a wash if you ask me! So don't screw with my bow season length, I do the same QDM practices as any other hunter that chooses to do so.

Most shots taken with a crossbow are taken off a rest, such as a bipod, so I wouldn't consider that much of an argument for the equivalence of bows and crossbows.

 

[mustang8]

Most shots taken with a crossbow are taken off a rest, such as a bipod, so I wouldn't consider that much of an argument for the equivalence of bows and crossbows.

How do you know this? Do you see it on TV and you assume that is how us crossbow hunters hunt? Because I have never used a rest and im betting that none of the guys I work with use one either. So I don't believe your assumption to be correct. Im pretty sure this legislature failed at all of the local meetings I heard about so I have my doubts that it will pass, WI DNR needs all the tags sold that they can, why would they take out a large chunk of hunters from the mix?

 

[mustang8]

Also GO_DEEP hit the nail on the head.

 

[Stay Sharp]

Yep ill give you that, I just looked up the new Matthews Triax it weighs 4.4#s, I shoot a parker crossbow (newest 1 I could find that was the lightest weight comes in at 6.9#s). So yep you have to draw your bow back with 80% let off, I have to hold my crossbow steady with at least 2.5 more pounds of weight. Don't wanna bust your bubbles but the truth is that its pretty much a wash if you ask me! So don't screw with my bow season length, I do the same QDM practices as any other hunter that chooses to do so.

Nobody is screwing with the archery deer season. There are no propsed changes to the archery deer season. All that we are doing is finally setting the length of the crossbow season that will begin with the 2019 season.

 

[Stay Sharp]

How do you know this? Do you see it on TV and you assume that is how us crossbow hunters hunt? Because I have never used a rest and im betting that none of the guys I work with use one either. So I don't believe your assumption to be correct. Im pretty sure this legislature failed at all of the local meetings I heard about so I have my doubts that it will pass, WI DNR needs all the tags sold that they can, why would they take out a large chunk of hunters from the mix?

Nobody is taking any hunters out of the mix. the sport of crossbowing or crossbow hunting (or whatever those guys call what they do) will still exist after this improvement. All that's happening is the setting of the season length for the crossbow users. The first few years were trial years to gather data so that the season length could be settled up based on harvest and usage data and impacts on the resource. The setting of the length of the crossbow season will take place and will be enacted starting with the 2019 season. There will still be plenty of hunting opportunity for the crossbow guys. The season is not ending.

 

[Stay Sharp]

I think some are getting all worked up over nothing. I (and many others) worked hard to get a separate crossbow season in WI starting in 2014. The trial is over. for the last 2 years I been working to set the final duration of the crossbow season with resolutions I've written that have advanced and now the NRB is taking up those resolutions and the crossbow season length with be somewhere between the length of the gun season and the archery deer season and will still offer lots of opportunity for the crossbow guys.

 

[mustang8]

Well Stay Sharp, I don't agree with you, I guess I am one that is not united with you. The only thing that will come of this is less licenses being sold and crossbow hunters not registering their deer if shot outside the shortened crossbow season. Like someone said before how do you read the statistics from the 80s or 90s? All technology moves forward and you guys aren't using the same equipment as you were 30 years ago, I hear every dam year of a lot of vertical bow hunters wounding deer because they are taking shots that are too far for their skill set, yes some people do practice out to 100 yds for antelope but the majority cant hit consistently at 30 yds let alone with a 4 1/2 yo deer in front of them. I do not agree with any of the crap you seem to think you pushed thru, I hope the DNR wakes up. But like we all know the DNR has a pretty good past of making piss poor decisions so I wouldn't doubt that they change it.

 

[Stay Sharp]

I expect this improvement to take place starting with the 2019 season. There will still be plenty of crossbowing to be had. License sales for crossbowers will continue to increase even when the final crossbow season duration is shorter than the duration of the trial period years. No changes are being made to the bowhunting season in WI.

I like to bowhunt with a homemade bow I made myself using arrows I make with feathers from turkey I kill as the fletching. I also make my own broadheads out of old saw blades so technology is not what I would consider my trad gear to be. If I am out of state hunting dangerous game I will use a compound.

 

[NEWHunter]

I picked up a recurve one year while I still lived in Wisconsin. Shot a buck in his bed 3 weeks later while he slept. Never shot a recurve before in my life till 3 weeks before. So, yes you can get good with a vertical bow fast.

Here's the question. Why would you as a sportsman want to prevent, or eliminate other sportsman from having the opportunity to hunt?

I never said I wanted to prevent others from the opportunity to hunt - I was just stating, more or less, that a new crossbow is more effective than a new vertical bow. My Dad can't walk and hunts with a cross bow on occasion and I've now hunted with one. Take a look at my first post in the thread and you'll see that I would like to see less harvest pressure on the bucks in Wisconsin, especially the yearlings. If you look at the statistics from the QDMA we here in Wisconsin are way above average in yearling buck harvest.

I'd like to see regulations adjusted here as crossbows have resulted in the four highest buck harvest years by bow/crossbow in the last four years and populations here aren't as high as they were in the late 1990s/early 2000s. Regulations like maybe one buck a year, or eliminate group hunting of bucks, or antler point restrictions - something to help the age structure a bit.

 

[22tbone]

I couldn't disagree with you guys more! I'm wondering how the hell you guys think your new fancy Matthews vertical bows are any different than a crossbow? Nowadays they have a crazy amount of let off and are getting more and more faster. Both have advantages and both have disadvantages, I believe the success rates your talking about are not fully telling the truth. I believe US crossbow hunters don't mortally wound deer as often as the vertical bow hunters do. I know a ton of people who wound deer every year (and most of them are good bucks), now why is this? If you want fair then everyone should be shooting re-curves! But you guys wont want that either, well technology has changed hasn't it and your new Matthews is no different than a crossbow. Now go ahead boys whip away!

Then pick up a Matthews and start hunting


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[Stay Sharp]

Bowhunting is not for everyone. For those not willing or able to rise to the challenges of bowhunting, there is crossbowing or crossbow hunting or whatever those folks call what they do. All that is happening now is the final setting of the length of the crossbow hunting season now that the trial period is over and the data gathered. The crossbow season will be set at a length that is longer than the gun deer season but shorter than the archery deer season. There will still be plenty of opportunity for crossbow users to get out and hunt. Little kids, small women, the elderly and handicapped and those not willing to take up the sport of bowhunting will be able to enjoy the sport of crossbowing so I don't understand the angst.

 

[mustang8]

Then pick up a Matthews and start hunting


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I shot a vertical bow for years! My buddy called down to Madison and talked with the DNR about this topic, the woman said she has not heard of ANY changes coming down the pike as far as crossbow seasons are concerned. She also said if they did make that change she would ask for a transfer because she would not want to deal with all of the phone calls that she would receive. She said don't believe everything you read on the internet. So Im feeling pretty good about no changes coming no matter what some may say. Hunt on.