Which muzzy for Colorado elk?

[deer615]

Muzzleloader experts, this question is for you.

My 17 year old daughter drew a Colorado elk tag for this fall. I have the original Knight Disc 50 cal but it is scoped and dialed in for whitetails here in Iowa. My son just bought his first muzzy, a CVA Wolf that is not scoped and he has offered to let his sister borrow it. Since no scope is allowed in Colorado, should I pull the scope from my Knight or have her use her brother's CVA Wolf? Either gun will be getting a Firesight peep and we'll be checking out Thor bullets. I am far from a muzzy expert and I'm sure the quick answer is whichever shoots better, but for the sake of saving lots of time and money, which is the better gun to go with? The Knight was the top of the line back when I bought it many years ago and has been tried and true on whitetails and I know the CVA Wolf is more of an entry level muzzy. Has new technology made the new cheaper gun better than the old premium?

Knight cons= Have to remove scope to hunt Colorado then resight scope for Iowa, pain in the rear to remove breach and requires heavy tools, blued barrel.

CVA pros= stainless steel, scope already off, easy to remove breach plug with no tools required.

Thanks for your input!

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

Which one does she shoot the best? That's the one I'd be using. A little range time seems in order.

 

[JimP]

The CVA should work fine as long as it shoots the Thors. I have heard of some rifles that just don't like them, they are like any other bullet out there. Some rifles like them and some don't. Range time is the best thing. Figure out here maximum range and stay within that range.

 

[CoHiCntry]

You already kind of answered your own question... "whichever shoots better". Probably whichever SHE shoots better is the better answer. Comparing the the two guns IMO the Knight is a much better gun. Either will kill an elk. Have her handle & shoot both, then go from there?

 

[gonhunting247]

Is the old disc knight legal in CO? For some reason I was thinking it has a closed action. I have an old MK85 and a new UL Western Extreme, but they changed the breech plug and bolt to make it legal in states like CO and OR. I might be thinking wrong on exactly what the disc looks like, but thought I'd mention it, just in case. I love both my Knight's, but agree with the rest; it really depends on what feels the best to her, as both guns will get the job done. Good Luck, sounds fun!

 

[deer615]

Thanks guys, I appreciate the input. Just wanted to make sure that no one knew of any major issues with either. Similar to what was brought up about the concern of the legality of the disc's bolt. I'll look into it. Much appreciated.

 

[Umpqua Hunter]

I killed my 2014 CO bull with a Knight Disc Extreme, XS Sights - White Line Patridge (not partridge) front blade (the best sight picture I have found with open sights because you aim at the top of the blade rather than cover several inches of the aiming point with a bead front sight), Williams peep rear sight, 85 grains (by volume) of Blackthorn 209, two vegetable fiber wads (0.06" thick) between the powder and bullet, 460 grain No Excuses bullets, and a Fiocchi 209 primer. The No Excuses have been extremely accurate for me in the Knight rifles (as in 0.8 to 2 MOA depending on the rifle) as long as you keep the powder around 70 to 90 grams, over that they start to scatter. On my CO bull, it entered the front shoulder on a quartering to me shot and exited ahead of the rear ham. Knight barrels have shot conicals very well for me which is not always the case since most barrels now-a-days are designed to shoot sabots.

Here is the No Excuses link:

http://www.muzzleloading-bullets.com

There are no issues that I am aware of with using a muzzleloader with a bolt. Here are the muzzleloader regs for CO (page 16 of the 2016 Big Game regs):

a. Only legal muzzleloaders allowed in muzzleloading seasons.
b. In-line muzzleloaders are legal.
c. Must be a single barrel that fires a single round ball or conical projectile.
d. To hunt deer, pronghorn or bear, they must be minimum of .40 caliber.
e. To hunt elk or moose, they must be minimum of .50 caliber.
f. From .40 caliber to .50 caliber, bullets must weigh a minimum 170 grains.
g. If greater than .50 caliber, bullets must weigh a minimum 210 grains.
h. Shotshell primers and B.O.R. Lock MZ System bullets are legal.
i. Pelletized powder systems prohibited in muzzleloading seasons.
j. Cannot be loaded from the breech in muzzleloading seasons.
k. Only open or iron sights allowed in muzzleloading seasons. Fiber optics
and fluorescent paint incorporated into or on open or iron sights are
legal. Scopes or any sighting device using artificial light, batteries and
electronic gear are prohibited during muzzleloading seasons.
l. Sabots are prohibited in muzzleloading seasons. Cloth patches are not
sabots.
m. Smokeless powder prohibited in muzzleloading seasons. Black powder
and black-powder substitutes are legal.
n. Electronic or battery-powered devices cannot be incorporated into or
attached to muzzleloader during muzzleloading seasons.

 

[JimP]

The Knight disc is a legal muzzle loader in Colorado, no problems with a enclosed action.

 

[deer615]

Great info! Thanks so much!