Spotting scope vs. Nocs?

Daubs

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I hunt Sandhills of Nebraska and looking for a spotting scope or high powered binoculars. Read some posts on here and will be focusing on Vortex optics.

It's public and I will be walking in, so weight is a concern.

I've got Cabela's Outfitter Series 8x42 binoculars and Leica CRF 800 Rangefinder.

CamerlandNY has following that fit in to my budget. Yes, will be getting tripod.
  • Vortex Viper HD 15x50 nocs $599
  • Vortex Razon HD 11-33x50 Spotting Scope $599

Thoughts on high power binoculars vs. spotting scopes? Remember, I'm hunting here...

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Horsenhike

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I'm new to big game hunting, but after last fall knew I wanted better glass. Along with everything else I needed it had to be budget friendly. I bought my stuff off of ebay and am very happy with it.

I bought Leupold BX-3 Mojave 10X42, new, for just over $300, and an older Leupold fixed 25X spotter in like new condition for $175. These allow me to see pretty well for under $500.

Optics are funny. What looks good to one person is not so great to another. Vortex Viper just did not seem as useful for me as the Leupolds. Really need to look through them first.
 

hoshour

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I've read more articles lately about how much easier it is glassing with 16x binos and leaving the spotter behind. On the other hand, there are times I like to crank up the power to zoom in with a spotter when I have an animal spotted.

I'm curious to hear from people who use the 15x, 16x, even 20x binos for glassing and don't carry a spotting scope.
 
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Huntinguy0120

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I have owned the Nikon Monarch 16x56 and my brother has the vortex 15x50's. I have to say that I sold my Nikons because they weighed about as much as a spotting scope tied around your neck all day while in my opinion the clarity of the glass wasn't as good as my brother's vipers at half the weight. Definitely a plus for those 15x binocs there.

I think there are two ways to look at it in my opinion. If you are going to be running and gunning and just need to identify a horn, the 15x bino's will be your best bet. Looking at your photo, heat and long distances will be a factor in field judging game with those specifically past the mile marker, but you would have the ability to break down and get closer a lot quicker and quieter. Immediate access to your best piece of glass is another plus.

If you have lots of time and want to get an accurate look before pursuing, a spotting scope in your backpack would be the ideal set-up in getting you clarity to what 15x binoculars won't. If you already have a good pair of 8x binocs that you trust, a spotting scope will quadruple the distance of your current set up. One thing is for certain, a 15X bino's won't compete with the spotting scope side by side in clarity at an animal over a mile away.

I've looked through both and don't think there's a wrong answer. I went back to a pair of 10x binoculars that I really like and borrow a spotting scope when I can.
 

Slugz

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I've read more articles lately about how much easier it is glassing with 16x binos and leaving the spotter behind. On the other hand, there are times I like to crank up the power to zoom in with a spotter when I have an animal spotted.

I'm curious to hear from people who use the 15x, 16x, even 20x binos for glassing and don't carry a spotting scope.
This may sum it up and give perspective. I have some 10x42s that only hang on my neck while hunting. While seriously glassing up high ( like two weeks ago for 5 days) my son and I have a x65 spotter and x50 bins. We swap them back and forth between what we are looking at. Usually he would have better target acquisition with the x50 binos, I'd then zoom in to check the area out. That's where the spotter made the difference IMO. The pic below came from my first time use of the S4 adapter with my cell phone attached to a very old Nikon x65 spotting scope. Still learning to adjust so that's why the focus is off. We were at 11,800 looking into a valley when he said " I know there is a deer over here, I saw a flash of him, I'm sure he bedded somewhere but I cant find him" After he talked me into the area I was able to pick it apart with the x65 spotter and found a nose/antler. He got up and repositioned in the sun and I got the second pic.

The spotter IMO is gonna let you find the ear flicker, movement, nose, antler...etc etc.

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mallardsx2

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Binos can be used at will. A spotter needs to be set up every time.

I use my 10X and 12X Vortex on a grid spotter and have no problem spotting deer out to 1000 yards.


I can definitely see where a spotter would be nice but I doubt I will ever own another one.
 

wy-tex

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A spotting scope can really make a difference in telling if that animal is really what you want to go after. 65x is great for long distance judging. You can put it in a pack to carry. We use one for antelope , deer and elk hunting every year. The 10x42 binos are great for carry and use but a spotting scope can really make a difference in seeing just what that animal is a extreme distances. Even a 25x scope can help out.
 

Tim McCoy

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I've read more articles lately about how much easier it is glassing with 16x binos and leaving the spotter behind. On the other hand, there are times I like to crank up the power to zoom in with a spotter when I have an animal spotted.

I'm curious to hear from people who use the 15x, 16x, even 20x binos for glassing and don't carry a spotting scope.
I like everything about my Minox 15x56, price, performance, except for the weight. They are my second set of big eye bino's, bought my first pair in the late 90's. The 15x56's are relatively compact, very easy on the eyes, and using two eyes aids in actually seeing & recognizing what you are looking at, in my experience. They perform well above their power level when compared to a spotting scope, in my view, because you are using two eyes. Last years MT deer hunt, the spotter never got used. 15x bino's got used a bunch, along with standard bino's, up to a max of a mile-ish, maybe a bit less, but did not measure, so could have been over a mile.

If I am walking far, big eyes may stay behind and if optics besides bino's go along, it is often a 15-45x60 ish sized spotting scope with lightweight tripod/head. Where I have found the 15x bino's to excel is in finding animals that are not moving, maybe it is just me and I have weird eyes, but two seem better than one when looking in shadows, through light brush etc. I can resolve and recognize more, but not at ultra long range. So for me they are a superior game spotting tool. At ultra LR, a hi power spotter, 40-60x, will win vs 15x bino's, assuming equivalent optical quality in my experience.

Where big eye bino's are king, and spotters have trouble competing, the bino's are usually much more than 15x, at least in the cases I know of. Again, assuming similar optical quality. The Kowa's 32x bino used by coues hunters, usually close to their rig or utv, are an example. Some sheep hunters use them more now I hear too, where weight is not a huge issue, rigs, horses, etc. I use 15x to locate game more and more, spotting scope less and less, when choosing between the two. I believe I find more game with the 15x bino's vs a spotter, at moderate to long range, where I am using 20-30x on the spotter. Wish my bino's were 20x... Vortex came out with a set of 20x, right after I bought my Minox.

So I use both, but generally would only carry one of the hi powered optics. Hunting out of a truck, or doing short hikes to known glassing points, I may carry 3 optics, 8.5 -10x, my big eyes and a spotter. The coues whitetail forum used to be a good source on big eye bino's, have not looked in a few years. But I love mine and am glad I have them. I am thinking when I decide to burn my max WY antelope points, they will become my best friend, but a hi power spotter will go along just in case I need more detail on something a very long ways away. Hope that helps you.
 

Daubs

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Thanks Tim:

I'm leaning towards 15x nocs vs. spotting scope.

In the Sandhills I'm rarely ever glassing more than a mile. And I'm pretty prone to eye strain.

Wondering if I could get by with 12x nocs?
 

Tim McCoy

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12x inplace of 15x bino's? Possibly. Not sure it would be enough to a mile or so. No experience with a 12x. If you are thinking 12x bino as a sole do it all item, I'll just say I have trouble hand steadying 10x bino's. There are quick attach devices that can go on a bog-pod and the like that may help. But I like being able to quickly grab my bino's in my hand, take a quick peek, and move on, no support needed for quick looks. My 8x and 8.5x excel at that, 10x work OK too.

Myself, I'd carry regular bino's 8-10x and if deciding to get big eye bino's over a spotter, might look hard at the 20x Vortex offering. Know nothing about them other than 20x appeals. The Minox I got are very budget friendly, great glass, demo models for just over $700, or you can spend 2k or more forrest Swaro's. Plenty of other choices too.
 

mcseal2

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Some people use the Swaro 12x50's in place of the 15x56's and say they are better. I think you could get by if you get good enough ones to bring in lots of light. I'd plan to spend some money and buy once get good ones. They can be found as Cameraland demos or used on ebay, SWFA, or sites like this much cheaper than new price.
 

Daubs

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Great feedback, thank you all!

Reading responses, researching more, and remembering last deer season when I had my spotting scope in the Sandhills, i'm leaning towards the Vortex 15x50's teamed with a nice tripod and panning head.

Looking through one eye gives me eye strain, and I think the 15x will be just about right for the terrain I'm hunting.

...of course, I'll probably change my mind a few times before pulling the trigger.

...and CameralandNY has Viper 10x42's for $499 right now...
...and Viper 10x50's for $549...

Decisions, decisions, decisions...
 

Slugz

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Putting the expectation of 1 mile or less in the equation.....those 15-50s and equipment you mention will work very well. Easy on the eyes, quick target acquisition and good light gathering.
 

mcseal2

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I had the Vortex 15x50's for a brief time, I returned them. I like Vortex products but those binos didn't seem very bright or crisp like I expected. I don't know if 15x is to much for 50mm objectives or what. I let 2 other guys try them I was out glassing whitetail with the week I had them and both said the same thing. I had 13x58 Minox that were much better, and the Kaibabs or Swaros I have now are in a whole different class. Just my opinion, but I'd shop around for used Minox 15x at a similar price before going with the Viper 15x50's.
 

Tim McCoy

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You might find a pair of the older Minox 15x58's too. They had a very strong following, but never looked through them. Zeiss/Docter etc. made some good ones you may find used too. Based on what I could find out when I bought, the current Minox 15x are noticeably better than the Vortex Viper HD 15x50, and close to if not equal to the Vortex Kaibabs in 15x. But you can find some guys satisfied with ther Vortex Vipers in 15x, every one has different expectations.

For me, I tend to pay about 1/4 of the best in class glass price to get 90-95% of the performance. The Minox 15x fit that description for me vs Swaro's 15x better than the Vipers.