Spotting Scope Options < $1k

Catahoula12

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Vortex Viper HD 20-60x80 here. For me, it’s intended purpose is mainly for scouting during summer months and rifle target shooting. It’s not an item I consider lightweight, therefore I do not carry during an actual hunt. I am happy with it for what it is, however, if a different spotter was ever on my horizon I would get a smaller one with even better glass. Good luck.
 

ColoradoV

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My choice would be to look or wait for a older lecia in their apo televid line the 60mmish offering or 77 is huge.

Good glass and if you watch will be right at 1k = you will notice the difference over vortex.
 

JimP

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In my opinion most spotting scopes are too big for packing during the hunting season unless you are just spotting for the hunter.

Also angled vs straight depends on the person. I am tall so I hate straight ones. It is easier for me to bend over a little than it is to get the straight one up another 4 or 5 inches to look through it, and then it is too high for anyone else.

As for clarity usually the more that you spend the clearer they get. I watched deer and elk from my living room that were over 2 miles away and can tell that they are bucks and how big the bulls are. But if the deer get into a background that contrast with the color of their antlers all bets are off. The when i push it even further the antlers will turn into a blur but you can tell the size just not how many actual point on them.

A member on here did a test with 3 spotters last year that compared 3 of the better ones, you should be able to find the post fairly quickly with a search.

Here is that thread. But as tested I believe that they were all over $1000

https://forum.eastmans.com/showthread.php/18180-Brought-home-4-Spotters-from-Cabela-s-tonight
 
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HighPlainsHunter

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Negativity on OUR forum and attacks on people for just trying to help others is sad to say the least.


I'll say some extra prayers for you this Sunday at church and send positive vibes your way. Hope your chi trends to the positive side. God Bless
The only person making this personal is you, then you play the victim. Sad. My guess is you are mad about the things from the Colorado thread where you also got upset. It's funny to watch but also sad, especially as you make comments about sending prayers and what not but whined about making this personal. Ironic and funny. In the end it's easy to see you were offended by something I said and took comments about hunters not being educated on optics personally, then got upset, and now are playing the victim while doing your best to instigate with good vibes and chi trends. Keep up the great work but it's easy to see through the act.

The funniest part was claiming the Vortex Razor was "entry level" as you got it mixed up with viper and now won't own it while on a sarcastic rant about hunters being dumb. You proved my point without even knowing it. Thanks.

What's even worse is that these other companies don't even make all the optics they sell, even though people like yourself are obviously very tied to certain brands. There are 3-4 huge foreign manufacturers who make most binoculars regardless of brands. That's why you see so many small run private label binos showing up like Tract, Maven, and Theron.

Tract toric is another bino worth considering for hunters who aren't afraid to venture beyond the big 3.

The reason birders know so much about binos is they own dozens of pair and use them year round. They do side by side comparison and spend hours agonizing over every minute detail, spec, and eye cup. Hunters talking optic are like teenage boys talking about sex, they kinda get it but not really. Birders and Star gazers are simply more educated when it comes to optics, if you read their forums you notice immediately how much different the discussions are. All hunters do is recommend the brand they have and get upset if anyone claims there are better choices. Every hunter thinks they got great glass for the money. Essentially exactly what you said in your posts, aside from the last one where you over obviously having a little meltdown.

Thanks for the entertainment and if you have time do some research, there are a lot of great optics out there beyond Vortex.

Another funny misconception hunters have on optics is that Swaro scopes are the best ever. In reality the difference in spotters is in the eye pieces, not the body. As far as glass if you look at photography lenses and optics that make Swaro scopes look like pocket change. And they are also brands like pentax, fujinon, arri, dallmeyer, canon, kowa, takahashi, etc.. There are many Fujinon lenses that are over 50k and some over 200k. But you will never hear fujinon optics discussed on a hunting forum.
 

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The only person making this personal is you, then you play the victim. Sad. My guess is you are mad about the things from the Colorado thread where you also got upset. It's funny to watch but also sad, especially as you make comments about sending prayers and what not but whined about making this personal. Ironic and funny. In the end it's easy to see you were offended by something I said and took comments about hunters not being educated on optics personally, then got upset, and now are playing the victim while doing your best to instigate with good vibes and chi trends. Keep up the great work but it's easy to see through the act.

The funniest part was claiming the Vortex Razor was "entry level" as you got it mixed up with viper and now won't own it while on a sarcastic rant about hunters being dumb. You proved my point without even knowing it. Thanks.

What's even worse is that these other companies don't even make all the optics they sell, even though people like yourself are obviously very tied to certain brands. There are 3-4 huge foreign manufacturers who make most binoculars regardless of brands. That's why you see so many small run private label binos showing up like Tract, Maven, and Theron.

Tract toric is another bino worth considering for hunters who aren't afraid to venture beyond the big 3.

The reason birders know so much about binos is they own dozens of pair and use them year round. They do side by side comparison and spend hours agonizing over every minute detail, spec, and eye cup. Hunters talking optic are like teenage boys talking about sex, they kinda get it but not really. Birders and Star gazers are simply more educated when it comes to optics, if you read their forums you notice immediately how much different the discussions are. All hunters do is recommend the brand they have and get upset if anyone claims there are better choices. Every hunter thinks they got great glass for the money. Essentially exactly what you said in your posts, aside from the last one where you over obviously having a little meltdown.

Thanks for the entertainment and if you have time do some research, there are a lot of great optics out there beyond Vortex.

Another funny misconception hunters have on optics is that Swaro scopes are the best ever. In reality the difference in spotters is in the eye pieces, not the body. As far as glass if you look at photography lenses and optics that make Swaro scopes look like pocket change. And they are also brands like pentax, fujinon, arri, dallmeyer, canon, kowa, takahashi, etc.. There are many Fujinon lenses that are over 50k and some over 200k. But you will never hear fujinon optics discussed on a hunting forum.
till now!!!!!!!!!!!:rolleyes:;)
 

Prerylyon

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Probably best thing for me to do is mess around with a few spotting scopes and to get a feel what I give up across the price ranges.

For example, for my astronomical telescopes, I use Vixen eyepieces almost exclusively; they're not the most expensive; but they aren't the cheapest either; good quality Japanese glass.

Used higher end gear in good condition would suit; I just don't see a lot here in Iowa and I have some reservations about buying sight unseen; but from the right seller/shop with a return guarantee, I have done it and been pleased-again with astronomy stuff.

Anyone able to recommend shops that occasionally sell used stuff?

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Slugz

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Binoman like Jim said. He seems to have a good amount of inventory and wide range of options and prices.
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kidoggy

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A good question to ask once you are serious about binos is what kind of prism they have.

There are 2 main types, and to be honest most hunters are so uneducated on optics that you will rarely even see this discussed. Which is sad.

Look up Abbe Koenig vs Schmidt Pechan.

If you read this article you will know more about optics than 99% of the dumb hunters who have no idea what kind of prisms they have and simply tell you to buy what they have which is almost always Leupold, Vortex, or Swaro.
https://www.targettamers.com/guides/roof-prism-vs-porro-prism-binoculars/

If you want to see something funny ask a hunter what kind of prism they have in their binos? Then ask if they have ever heard of BK7 or BAK4?
I am A dumb hunter who cares little for the "cliff claven" specs and generally just wings it through trial and error.
I don't know and really don't much care about prisms and light refraction and the how a product works. only matters that it does work. when I recommend something , to someone, it is generally , because I have tried it and found its quality to be above others I have tried.

oh ,my binos are porro prism. I know that, cause I just looked it up. so you learned me sumpin taday.:cool:
 

Prerylyon

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I am A dumb hunter who cares little for the "cliff claven" specs and generally just wings it through trial and error.
I don't know and really don't much care about prisms and light refraction and the how a product works. only matters that it does work. when I recommend something , to someone, it is generally , because I have tried it and found its quality to be above others I have tried.

oh ,my binos are porro prism. I know that, cause I just looked it up. so you learned me sumpin taday.:cool:
Honestly, everyone's eyes are a little different too. Some folks wear glasses, some contacts, etc.

Best thing is try before you buy under similar use conditions.

Ergo aspects are big too. Eye relief used to be a big deal for me when I used to wear glasses.

I know I started this thread on spotters, but it occured to me I never really have used one actually in 5 yrs of western hunting. Maybe I don't need one just yet and should upgrade my binos 1st?

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kidoggy

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I wear glasses and the swarovsks are the most comfortable I have ever looked through, for me.

probably the best hunting gear decision I ever made . have owned them for a good 20 years and have never regretted the purchase before them I would need a new pair about every year. I tried bushnel , tasco ,Nikon , leupold, pentax . none ever even compared. to be fair, the swarovsks cost 5 times more but they have also, so far, lasted 20 times longer. and I am not easy on binocs. only issue I have ever had with them is to replace the eyecups twice , when they ripped from sun wear. each time IT merely took a phone call and replacements arrived within a week, no charge. Swarovski has fine customer service and they make a solid product that will last .

I bought the 10x50 SLC and love them. my brother has the 8x 42 SLC and they are also great.

the 10x50s are much brighter, first and last light though.
 
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ando_31

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I bought a 20-60 vixen geoma spotting scope for a relative for around 300 a while back. Obviously that was a sale price as I believe someone was just dumping inventory of geoma 1 when the geoma 2 came out. I was impressed the optics for the price. I just saw another geoma sell on ebay for a decent price a week or so ago. I used to have the high end leupold spotter and didn't care for that.

I do have a swaro 20-60 HD spotter, a nikon EDG VR, a nikon 50mm ed. These are all great glass and the VR function is awesome, but I won't be packing that scope anywhere. I'm going somewhere with this....I used to have a Nikon 82mm HD spotter and if you can get over the very short eye relief, for the money that was the best scope I owned. I paid 800 for it used on ebay.

I think you have 2 different routes you can go with a budget spotter. For 1000, or slightly more, you can find a used nikon, leica, zeiss, or maybe votex razor. Some might have to be an older model to stay in your price range. All those scopes seem to hold a high demand and hold their value, so you should be able to recoup a good portion of your investment if you wish to move to a newer or higher end scope.

Or you can find a used less demanded options for far cheaper, like the vixen geoma, or an older bausch and lomb elite, and still end up with great glass. Then use the saved money and put that into a better pair of binos.

I'd take this used bausch and lomb over any new 500-800 dollar leupold (I am not the seller, but I used to have one). I do have a 20-60 bausch and lomb that I would sell however. But admittedly, I believe the 15-45 was a better scope.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bausch-Lomb-Elite-15-45x60-Spotting-Scope-61-1548P/264251041986?hash=item3d8696e8c2:g:qKoAAOSwIbtcRnc5
 

tim

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Bino versus spotter
Binos win everytime, they are used a lot more than you think. Most of the time the spotter gets brought out on the first day and is not packed the rest of the trip. A nice spotter is very nice to have and look thru, but they really are not used that much. It could also be I live in north Idaho, where timber is the rule, not the exception.
 

kidoggy

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Bino versus spotter
Binos win everytime, they are used a lot more than you think. Most of the time the spotter gets brought out on the first day and is not packed the rest of the trip. A nice spotter is very nice to have and look thru, but they really are not used that much. It could also be I live in north Idaho, where timber is the rule, not the exception.
I tend to agree.my binos get used way more then my spotter .

that said, there are certain hunts where I consider the spotter to be a great addition to my gear. when I glass .I prefer binos , then use spotter to determine wether animal is worth the hike for closer inspection. but to be honest , I can generally (but not always)tell this ,without the spotter anyhow and sometimes it just isn't worth packing the extra weight .

if I pack in for an extended trip into the backcountry , it always comes with me though. and I love using the window mount from the truck ,when scouting in the off season.
 

ScottR

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Gentlemen, no more name calling please. You both obviously have some passionate opinions about your optics and what you believe will do the job. Keep the arguing to a minimum please.
 

Bonecollector

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Sidebar:

I'm curious how many guys carry 10 x 50 binos as opposed to 10x42's....?
In some cases you're only taking an inch longer and 6-8 oz more.