SF - 114 Resident Preference Point Bill

[libidilatimmy]

Well folks.......It's back. The bill effectively calls for the creation of R preference point systems for deer, antelope, and elk with 50% of available quotas going through PP drawings. Additionally, there's language in it that allows for minors (youth hunters) to apply with an adult with no bearing on the PP average of the group.

I've never been for this approach at drawing after seeing what has transpired through other state's, and Wyoming's, draw systems where the PP systems were implemented.

 

[woodtick]

Though I'll probably never end up as a resident in WY, I feel bad that anyone in their right mind would want to implement such a catastrophic approach! Hello look at any other state that has a system like this in place!

 

[kiddwinner]

man that sucks, so youth hunters go in on max points no matter what?

 

[libidilatimmy]

man that sucks, so youth hunters go in on max points no matter what?

The way I read it, they'd have no effect on the party PP average, so if Dad has 7, Mom has 5, and little Johnny has 1, then the average for the group would be 6.

 

[Triple BB]

Its got my support. I've also had some friends and relatives writing into the legislature doing the same. It ain't going away and hopefully this is the year it sticks...

 

[mntnguide]

Its got my support. I've also had some friends and relatives writing into the legislature doing the same. It ain't going away and hopefully this is the year it sticks...

What is your reasoning for support of the PP system being initiated for residents? Honest question..just interested in why you support it so much

 

[toddt]

Not a resident, and for the most degree points systems have both their problems and advantages. Personally though, I would be happy to see a point system in place where only 50 percent of the tags go to those with max points. Doing so, you could actually plan for someday drawing a preferred tag. As it is now, someone could theoretically draw a great tag EVERY year, but on the flipside, they may NEVER draw a great tag. With 50 percent to high point holders, everyone will still have a chance and for those that stick with a certain unit, they will eventually draw. Good luck either way.

 

[woodtick]

Not a resident, and for the most degree points systems have both their problems and advantages. Personally though, I would be happy to see a point system in place where only 50 percent of the tags go to those with max points. Doing so, you could actually plan for someday drawing a preferred tag. As it is now, someone could theoretically draw a great tag EVERY year, but on the flipside, they may NEVER draw a great tag. With 50 percent to high point holders, everyone will still have a chance and for those that stick with a certain unit, they will eventually draw. Good luck either way.

Look at Utah, there system sucks worse than anyone's and Wyoming wants to do the same!

 

[libidilatimmy]

Just because other states are doing it, doesn't mean it's a good thing. 10 years from now, an applicant who's family didn't hunt and decides he wants to start has half of the chance that he would in the current system. If they want the youth hunters to have some better odds, they should create youth only options in the LQ drawings.

 

[AT Hiker]

I assume this will effect the NR draws? Maybe not at first but this is more the reason to start cashing points in. Especially if they ever make residents chose a deer region for their general tag.


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[usmc99]

I cant say Id like a system like that If I was a resident. Just seems like a way to pour more and more money into hunting. Id rather be on an even playing field with everyone else every year.

 

[ssliger]

I am writing the legislation as well. This is a horrible idea. Random draw is the best system. I love the anticipation of the draw results. I would hate to apply for tags and be fairly confident I will draw cause I have max points. LEAVE IT ALONE!


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[hoshour]

It takes no genius to see that the preference point system is a busted system in every state that has had it for more than 10 years, but then most legislatures are not exactly known as hotbeds of intelligent ideas.

Point creep just kills you. Do you really want to end up waiting 15-20 years to hunt a unit you can hunt now with a fraction of those points?

 

[Elkoholic307]

Its got my support. I've also had some friends and relatives writing into the legislature doing the same. It ain't going away and hopefully this is the year it sticks...

Please tell everyone why it is so great.

 

[NE69]

Point systems just don't work. If you have max points they are great ONCE. Everyone else, not so good. 100% random is fair for everyone.

 

[gonhunting247]

Point systems just don't work. If you have max points they are great ONCE. Everyone else, not so good. 100% random is fair for everyone.

I agree, I do kinda like NV bonus pt system though if I had to choose one! NV residents, please don't lynch me if there is something I'm missing

 

[mntnguide]

I personally would rather have a chance every year, instead of knowing i dont have a chance for "x" amount of years depending on the unit... I grew up in Idaho and still agree with the lack of a PP system. If WY passes this, i wont feel nearly as bad changing residency. I drew a sheep tag as a teenager...Thanks Idaho..but I also put in for one of the rare areas deep in the Frank Church, so my odds were decent.. I played the game and won, I would rather that than know I have no chance..I know WY has pp for the big 3 species...I am just making a point about having a chance every year without a point system

 

[nunt'nbutmuleys]

Agree no points is the best way to go about it!!!!! Anyone hear how it went yesterday on this voting?

 

[CrossCreeks]

Being a nonresident I am use do dealing with the cost of applying and purchasing tags, what's going to be cost to residents, hope not much but it has to come with some fee increases or points cost some where ?

 

[2rocky]

I think as long as General OTC units still provide quality hunts as a backup, a Preference point system doesn't cause too much of a ruckus. It is when there is such a difference in success rates and trophy quality that people get bent out of shape. (UT comes to mind)

Point-Banking has become as big of a part of hunting as bullet selection practically.

In a utopian system, loyalty to apply in a state year after year would be rewarded, while newer applicants would still have an opportunity to draw. The situation to avoid is NOT hunting for years just waiting to draw a tag. I've seen that situation in Nevada where all units are on a Bonus point system. There is no General Tag. The Bonus system gives credit to multiple years of applying through squaring of points, and mathematically rewards high point holders, while still a random draw.

I don't see WY setting up a new point system, different than what it does for Nonresidents though.