Public Access NO HUNTING Signs? Little help please.

mallardsx2

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XXXXX Public Access.

General Regs:

No Camping
No Hunting
No Shooting

This is State land. Shaded as such on OnXmaps and on Toprut overlays.

Can anyone explain to me why they would not allow hunting on this state land?

Its a fishing access area. But it is bordering a major road.
 

go_deep

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The state land board makes the rules on state land, hence the not wanting the state to get millions of acres of federal land under their control. There is around 16,000 acres of public owned state land in Wyoming that you can not hunt. If you go on to the state of Wyoming land board website they have a map that shows all that land.
 

wy-tex

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Is it irrigated crop land, that is land you can not hunt. Call or email the GW , he or she will know about it.
Also check the state land board website as stated. They show a map of lands with access, however if they feel the access is a corner only it will show as no access on their map.
 

rammont

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I don't live or hunt in Wyoming and it took me about 3 seconds to get an answer from the Wyoming Game and Fish via the Internet.

As a side note; why do you anti-state land people think it's easier to get the Federal government to respond to your land use wishes than it is to get the State to respond? At the state level you have a direct impact on the people that control the lands, heck, you can go to the land use board meetings and actually talk with the decision makers as they debate how to use the land. And if you don't like how the board members are doing their jobs then you can force State level changes in how the management process works. My guess is that you simply like the idea that you can force everyone else to conform to your wishes, if the State had a process more to your liking you'd side with the State.

You guys never seem to recognize that the core land use rules were dictated to the states by the Federal Government so when you claim that the State can't be trusted to manage the public lands you are actually complaining about the Federal Government because they forced those management rules on to the State. It's an age old technique for the manipulation of the public; create a problem so that you can play the hero by providing a solution, a solution that gives you power over the public.
 

87TT

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I call BS. There is no way the States can be trusted to manage or control the federal lands. Just look at Idaho's new trespass law. It was influenced by a couple of rich brothers who bought up a large chunk of timber company land. They have the money to buy lobbyist to get it passed.
 

BuzzH

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I don't live or hunt in Wyoming and it took me about 3 seconds to get an answer from the Wyoming Game and Fish via the Internet.

As a side note; why do you anti-state land people think it's easier to get the Federal government to respond to your land use wishes than it is to get the State to respond? At the state level you have a direct impact on the people that control the lands, heck, you can go to the land use board meetings and actually talk with the decision makers as they debate how to use the land. And if you don't like how the board members are doing their jobs then you can force State level changes in how the management process works. My guess is that you simply like the idea that you can force everyone else to conform to your wishes, if the State had a process more to your liking you'd side with the State.

You guys never seem to recognize that the core land use rules were dictated to the states by the Federal Government so when you claim that the State can't be trusted to manage the public lands you are actually complaining about the Federal Government because they forced those management rules on to the State. It's an age old technique for the manipulation of the public; create a problem so that you can play the hero by providing a solution, a solution that gives you power over the public.
Rammont,

You really need to stop...you're totally wrong on this issue and also never answered the OP's question. That generic answer via the GF website is just that, generic.

Its hard to say why that particular piece of State land is closed to hunting. The way it works in Wyoming, any lessee can petition the State Land Board to close state lands for any reason. Sure, the public can attend the land board meeting, but you have to: 1. know about the meeting to start with. 2. Ask the State Lands Director to be put on the agenda if you wish to speak.

Even if you jump through the hoops, the decision comes down to what the land board thinks. They have broad authority and as far as I know, there is no appeal process if the public doesn't like their decision.

I can tell you from first hand experience, having testified in front of the WY State Land board regarding a horrific land exchange, that the public is NOT listened to in many cases. In this particular case, the State Lands Director, recommended that the Land Board move forward with the exchange. In spite of a petition with over 5,000 signatures (gathered by WYBHA) on it opposing the land exchange. Further, at the public meeting in Laramie, the State Lands Director listened to the testimony of over 100 people that showed up to oppose the land exchange. The result of the land exchange would have been a loss of public access to a large piece of premier elk hunting in the Laramie Range (both NF and BLM).

Thankfully, myself and another WYBHA board member talked to everyone on the land board, which is the top 5 ELECTED officials in the State.

They opposed the land exchange on a 5-0 vote.. But, there would have been no recourse if the decision would have went the other way. We got lucky, and that's a fact.

The fate of State lands is up to 5 people and that is not a pleasant thought, at all. In particular when State politicians can be bought off with a Steak Dinner, a medium priced jug of liquor, and a modest campaign contribution. Pair that with no clear rules the land board has to follow, including allowing land exchanges that don't increase revenue to the State...it doesn't give me, or anyone else with 2 firing brain cells, a warm fuzzy.

You're also full of crap about the "core land use rules being forced by the Feds"...that's pure BS, no other way to say it. The State Land Board is under no obligation to the Federal Government for anything they decide to do with State Trust Lands, up to, but not limited to...disposal of said State Lands.

You need to pay attention and quit spreading misinformation like you're some kind of expert. You, aren't, and by a long shot.

This is a perfect example of why Federal Lands needs to stay in Federal control. The Wyoming land board made the decision that the public cant be trusted to camp on State Lands or have a warming fire...to name a couple absolutely ridiculous land board "rules".

Finally, an aside to the above mentioned State Land exchange we opposed and won...the lessee has taken it upon himself, without the approval of the land board, to punch in a gob of illegal roads across the State section he was trying to acquire in the exchange. The OSLI and State Lands Director, so far, have not done a single thing about it. But, if Joe Public starts a camp fire on that State land to roast a hotdog, they get a ticket. If a hunter drives cross country to pick up a downed game animal on public, they get a ticket. Or heaven forbid, you break out a cot and sleeping bag on State land and spend the night, you get a ticket for that too. But, some jackass punches roads across State lands with a dozer...the State Lands Director just cant see the problem with that...nothing to see here, move along.

All good reasons to strongly oppose Federal Lands ever being given to the State.
 
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mallardsx2

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Yaaaaa I'm not trying to dive into the politics about the issue.

I just want to know where I would be allowed to hunt.....

Thank you kindly for the link. I have never visited that page before.

The worst part about the entire situation is that there is a map on the sign and it doesn't define what the Public access area even is. So how do you know if your allowed on there to hunt or not? Also discovered where some private ranchers had posted public land with huge signs saying no access, no trespassing with all kinds of threats on the signs. Seemed strange to me.

Like I said, I'm trying to stay out of trouble.
 

go_deep

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Yaaaaa I'm not trying to dive into the politics about the issue.

I just want to know where I would be allowed to hunt.....

Thank you kindly for the link. I have never visited that page before.

The worst part about the entire situation is that there is a map on the sign and it doesn't define what the Public access area even is. So how do you know if your allowed on there to hunt or not? Also discovered where some private ranchers had posted public land with huge signs saying no access, no trespassing with all kinds of threats on the signs. Seemed strange to me.

Like I said, I'm trying to stay out of trouble.
All the local game wardens numbers are on the game and fish page. I'd call the local one, tell him/her you specific locations, and go from there.
 

WapitiBob

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I spent 45 minutes over two occasions last week talking to the local warden while I was in my Elk unit, about hunting state land, statute vs regulation, and corner crossing. I suggest you call, if they don't know an answer they'll get back to you.

ps, some of them read this forum..
 

mallardsx2

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Thank you all again for the advice and the links.

Made a few phone calls. Got most of my questions answered. Couple things are up in the air but they are going to provide me with some clarification. The state land people were very friendly and helpful.

From an outside-looking-in point of view there seems to be a bit of "Strong Arming" going on between the various government entities and private ranchers.
 

dan maule

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XXXXX Public Access.

General Regs:

No Camping
No Hunting
No Shooting

This is State land. Shaded as such on OnXmaps and on Toprut overlays.

Can anyone explain to me why they would not allow hunting on this state land?

Its a fishing access area. But it is bordering a major road.
There is a setting in OnXmaps called Wyoming State Land Restrictions that you can turn on that will show you which sections have restrictions ahead of time and what the restrictions are. Doesn't help with the why, but at least it gives you a heads up.
 

NDHunter

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I don't live or hunt in Wyoming and it took me about 3 seconds to get an answer from the Wyoming Game and Fish via the Internet.

As a side note; why do you anti-state land people think it's easier to get the Federal government to respond to your land use wishes than it is to get the State to respond? At the state level you have a direct impact on the people that control the lands, heck, you can go to the land use board meetings and actually talk with the decision makers as they debate how to use the land. And if you don't like how the board members are doing their jobs then you can force State level changes in how the management process works. My guess is that you simply like the idea that you can force everyone else to conform to your wishes, if the State had a process more to your liking you'd side with the State.

You guys never seem to recognize that the core land use rules were dictated to the states by the Federal Government so when you claim that the State can't be trusted to manage the public lands you are actually complaining about the Federal Government because they forced those management rules on to the State. It's an age old technique for the manipulation of the public; create a problem so that you can play the hero by providing a solution, a solution that gives you power over the public.
Seriously dude? Hard to find a better example than Colorado where there are 3 million acres of state land and yet you can only hunt on about 500,000 acres. How nice it would be to have those other 2.5 million acres available...