Muzzleloader recommendations?

Old Hunter

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Knight disc extreme and 777 fffg. Im not even sure about sabots around here, was stopped at the ignition until now.
I wish I knew that before you ordered. You don't need musket caps with that gun. They were made for sidelocks. You're better off with #11 caps. They will give you less of a crud ring, and the musket cap won't give you any better ignition, but more crud ring. a 209 primer will give you even more of a crud ring. See the pattern? Hotter ignition. More crud ring.
 

Musket Man

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I wish I knew that before you ordered. You don't need musket caps with that gun. They were made for sidelocks. You're better off with #11 caps. They will give you less of a crud ring, and the musket cap won't give you any better ignition, but more crud ring. a 209 primer will give you even more of a crud ring. See the pattern? Hotter ignition. More crud ring.
What to you mean by crud ring? I have never had any problems with 209's other then they are not legal here. The conversion kit comes with nipples for #11 and musket caps so I can use either.
 

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I wish I knew that before you ordered. You don't need musket caps with that gun. They were made for sidelocks. You're better off with #11 caps. They will give you less of a crud ring, and the musket cap won't give you any better ignition, but more crud ring. a 209 primer will give you even more of a crud ring. See the pattern? Hotter ignition. More crud ring.
What to you mean by crud ring? I have never had any problems with 209's other then they are not legal here. The conversion kit comes with nipples for #11 and musket caps so I can use either.
 

Old Hunter

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A crud ring is a ring of crud that develops right over the load in the bore when it's been fired. T7 is the worse powder for that happening. The lighter powered 209 muzzleloader primers were developed to help with the crud ring. The crud ring hurts accuracy, and makes loading the next load harder. I won't use T7 powder for that very reason.

I've read some guys say they don't get a crud ring. It's hard to believe. I've had 10 inlines, and they all got a crud ring with T7. I've had ramrod with patches stuck in the crud ring trying to remove it. It's one of the advantages of using BH 209. It doesn't get any crud rings.
 

Musket Man

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I guess I either havent had a problem with it or I dont know any better. lol I started with pyrodex pellets, then switched to 777 because it burned alot cleaner. I use fffg not ffg. I have a theory that the finer powder burns a bit cleaner and you get a little more out of it but it could just be in my head;)
 

Old Hunter

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It's not in your head. It's a well known fact 3F burns cleaner than 2F.

Do you swab between shots?

Anyway, if you're not getting much of a crud ring with 209 primers. It will be even better with #11 caps. Try the #11 magnum caps before you mess with musket caps. You should like them, but you'll need a capper to make it easier to use them.
 

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Got my knight western conversion kit monday! havent had time to put it in yet but it looks good and even comes with a new tool for the breech plug. Got to get it put together and sighted in pretty soon. I havent even shot it since I put a new front sight on and muzzle loader starts end of november here!
 

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Got my musket put together today! Going to have to go with #11's for now because I havent been able to find any musket caps in stock yet. I wanted to try both but as long as it goes BOOM I will be happy!