Muzzleloader bullets/ Thor/No Excuses/PB

CoHiCntry

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Thor...Finally had a chance to try out the Thor bullets today at the range. I tried both the .502 & .503 in 250 grain. Although I could get the .503 from the sizing pack Thor sends down the barrel at home, I could not get the bullets down today at the range. The .502 goes down pretty stiff but is acceptable. The problem is trying to get a second one down after the barrels fouled. It's really hard to get down even using my "range rod" which is longer, heavier duty, and has a larger T-handle then the ram rod on my gun to use in the field. I'm afraid if I had to make a follow up shot in the field I would have a really hard time getting the bullet down. I'd also be afraid of not getting it seated on the powder well enough. It seemed like my ram rod went down 1/4 to 1/2 inch less on the second shots. I'm assuming because of the fouling building up as you push the bullet down? I'm thinking of trying the .501 instead. I would like to be able to get two shots off, preferably three before having to swab the barrel. Other than the loading issue they seemed to pattern really well. just over a 1" group at 50 yds. using fiber optic sites. That's probably as tight a group as I've ever gotten with any muzzleloader bullet using open sites.

No Excuses... I tried the 460 grain a few years ago but couldn't remember the results so I ordered some more to try out. Now I know why I didn't use them. These bullets loaded great, nice and smooth even though there .503. I'm sure the pre-lube helps. They were all over the place. I would shoot one, then the next might be 3 inches or 6 inches away. Nothing consistent. Too bad, I like the idea of the big lead conical. I would still like to use these in another gun before writing them off. I know other guy's have had good luck. For the record, I shoot a T/C Omega which I've learned does not like big conicals, which is probably why.

Powerbelts... I started several years ago with the power belt 295 grain aero tip and have killed a few animals with it including elk. I've never much cared for the bullet and the reports from others haven't been good. Here's what I will say... the powerbelt loaded great with the barrel fouled even after two shots which is a huge bonus. I only shot a few but got just over 2" groups. I only wish they were a better constructed bullet and held up better. The loading is so nice, it makes me want to use them.

I'll probably be using either the .502 or .501 Thor bullet this year. I still need to try out the .501 first. Need to get some on order so I'm not still trying to get the muzzleloader dialed in while I should be out archery hunting!
 

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What powder are you using? I always used BH 209 with Thors, and could load 50 in a row with no swabbing, and they were a tight fit to start off with. Actually, BH seemed to lube the bore, as it seemed they loaded easier the more I shot.

T7 on the other hand is a swab every shot. I hate that crap!
 

CoHiCntry

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What powder are you using? I always used BH 209 with Thors, and could load 50 in a row with no swabbing, and they were a tight fit to start off with. Actually, BH seemed to lube the bore, as it seemed they loaded easier the more I shot.

T7 on the other hand is a swab every shot. I hate that crap!
I'm using T7. Maybe I should try the BH209? Thanks for the tip...
 

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Yeah, T7 leaves a crud ring right above the charge. You won't get that at all with BH 209. Don't be tempted to swab during shooting sessions. It's actually more accurate to not swab at all until you're done shooting.

Also, in case your don't know. You use the same solvents to clean BH 209 that you do for your CF guns. DON'T use black powder products, water and soap etc to clean BH 209.

If you haven't already guessed. BH 209 is basically a smokeless powder that's been detuned to black powder power. So, it loads with the same volume loads as T7.
 

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Good! You have the perfect breech plug to shoot BH 209. Just make sure you use shotgun 209 primers, and not the 209 primers made for muzzleloaders. They have a weaker flame to keep the crud ring down with T7. They aren't hot enough to ignite BH 209.

If they say anything about muzzleloaders on the package of primers. Don't use them.
 

CoHiCntry

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I heard they will send you a sample pack of different sizes to fit your gun.
I got the sample pack. The weird thing is I was able to get all of them down without much trouble. Including the biggest .503. Not sure why the bullets were so much harder to load than the sample pack bullets? I ordered more bullets and am trying to find some BH209 but Sportsmans is the only place close to buy it and of course they're out of stock.
 

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This is for you guys that shoot open sights I was shooting my t/c pro hunter with 150gr t7 win 209 primers an 245 power belts it shoots high with sights bottemed out at 50yd 100yd an 200yd should I lower the power charge or go to a bigger bullet or am I sighting wrong? Need some help guys!
 

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This is for you guys that shoot open sights I was shooting my t/c pro hunter with 150gr t7 win 209 primers an 245 power belts it shoots high with sights bottemed out at 50yd 100yd an 200yd should I lower the power charge or go to a bigger bullet or am I sighting wrong? Need some help guys!
Buy a longer front sight, or you could aim off of the top of the front sight if that changes things enough.

Don't change your load if it's shooting well, although 150 grains is a pretty hot load. I would typically shoot between 80 and 100 grains of T7. Loose powder is typically more accurate than pellets. If it's legal where you hunt, Blackhorn 209 is the best powder available.
 
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Old Hunter

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A 150gr with a 245 gr Powerbelt is a bad combination. That bullet is known to break apart with high velocities. I'd use a bullet with better construction, or lower the powder charge to 100gr.

What game are you hunting? With your location i'm guessing whitetails? If so, 100gr is more than enough with iron sights. If it's elk, and you want to stick with Powerbelts. I'd switch to the 338gr Powerbelt Platinum, and lower the powder to 110-120gr.

btw You aren't going to shoot 200 yds with iron sights are you?
 

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Was cking at 200yd to see if it would fall into the target sense it was so high at 100yd still about 12in high at 200yd but had an ok group even at 200yd. We were shooting our rifles at 200yd for our 1st season elk tags. Next year going to start putting in for Colorado muzzleloader tag.
 

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Were may I fine a longer sight for the pro hunter an if I was going to aim off of the top of the sight I would have to aim at the nottem of the belly of an elk to hit in the middle an possibly lower on a deer. I like the idea of aim off the top of the sight you see more of your target
 

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150gr - 245gr powerbelt + elk = an expensive hunt that ended with a wounded elk that was never recovered. The bullet you are using is BARELY good enough for deer. You're just going to screw yourself if any of you try shooting an elk with it.
What bullets do you shoot I have looked at thor bullets theres not many full bore bullets out here in the east just picked them up on sale to try. We can hunt with scopes an sabots bullets here.