Mule Deer Ammo Recommendations

gonhunting247

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I've shot factory green and yellow box Remington Core-Lokt 180 Grain PSP's out of my 30.06 and my .300 RUM (actually I think the .300s are bonded Core-lokt's) since the beginning and they both shoot and perform just fine from 20 yards-400 yards. IMO I think making a good shot within your capable range is way more important than what bullet you shoot. Not saying some bullets aren't better, I just believe people tend to way over think that part of it!
 

mcseal2

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I've noticed that the cheaper line plain soft point bullets from any of the major companies don't shoot as well once ranges extend, groups seem to open up. I've had more than one gun shoot them well at 100yds that didn't do as well at 300 or 400yds. That's a generalization but one made from shooting lots of rifles over the years out past 400yds. The most notable exception to that was a 7 mag with 175 Core Lokt ammo, but that's a longer higher BC bullet than most. The lower BC, less consistent tip shape, all that probably factors in. I'd expect less stringent tolerances on powder charges, brass weight, all that does too. It's not a knock on them, they are the budget ammo lines and work just fine for 97% of the shots most of us will ever take. In my life I can think of three big game animals I've taken past 400yds, all the rest were closer. I compare the cheaper ammo lines to the cheaper rifle lines, a Ruger American for $400 will do just about everything a custom $4000 rifle will.

The premium stuff is just insurance in my view. On the bullets maybe the Accubond or TSX penetrates just enough more to allow taking a more quartering shot that's the only one you are going to get. On rifles maybe the custom gun shoots better with a bipod loaded because the stock is stiffer and gives you more flexibility in shooting positions. I always shoot premium bullets when I am driving across the country to go on a hunt because I trust them to let me take any ethical shot. I've also been known to grab a cheap Ruger American and box of Core Lockt bullets to go shoot a doe for meat. I know I'm willing to pass on anything less than a textbook broadside shot doe hunting and those bullets will do the job just fine.

And in reality if you shoot enough with your chosen rifle and bullet to know things like if the point of impact will shift from a bipod with pressure on it, where your bullet will hit at various ranges, if the point of impact changes as the barrel heats up, if the point of impact changes with the barrel clean or dirty, etc. If you shoot that much you probably shoot enough to know the capabilities of yourself and your set-up and will be just fine with whatever you choose. Nothing beats shot placement in the end.

Yeah, I probably put to much thought into it. Putting to much practice into it is never a bad thing though!
 

gonhunting247

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I've noticed that the cheaper line plain soft point bullets from any of the major companies don't shoot as well once ranges extend, groups seem to open up. I've had more than one gun shoot them well at 100yds that didn't do as well at 300 or 400yds. That's a generalization but one made from shooting lots of rifles over the years out past 400yds. The most notable exception to that was a 7 mag with 175 Core Lokt ammo, but that's a longer higher BC bullet than most. The lower BC, less consistent tip shape, all that probably factors in. I'd expect less stringent tolerances on powder charges, brass weight, all that does too. It's not a knock on them, they are the budget ammo lines and work just fine for 97% of the shots most of us will ever take. In my life I can think of three big game animals I've taken past 400yds, all the rest were closer. I compare the cheaper ammo lines to the cheaper rifle lines, a Ruger American for $400 will do just about everything a custom $4000 rifle will.

The premium stuff is just insurance in my view. On the bullets maybe the Accubond or TSX penetrates just enough more to allow taking a more quartering shot that's the only one you are going to get. On rifles maybe the custom gun shoots better with a bipod loaded because the stock is stiffer and gives you more flexibility in shooting positions. I always shoot premium bullets when I am driving across the country to go on a hunt because I trust them to let me take any ethical shot. I've also been known to grab a cheap Ruger American and box of Core Lockt bullets to go shoot a doe for meat. I know I'm willing to pass on anything less than a textbook broadside shot doe hunting and those bullets will do the job just fine.

And in reality if you shoot enough with your chosen rifle and bullet to know things like if the point of impact will shift from a bipod with pressure on it, where your bullet will hit at various ranges, if the point of impact changes as the barrel heats up, if the point of impact changes with the barrel clean or dirty, etc. If you shoot that much you probably shoot enough to know the capabilities of yourself and your set-up and will be just fine with whatever you choose. Nothing beats shot placement in the end.

Yeah, I probably put to much thought into it. Putting to much practice into it is never a bad thing though!
I have had good accurate, lethal results out to the 400 yard range with the PSP 180 gr. corelokts and the bonded corelokts, I don't shoot much past that because I don't practice much past that. I am not a long range shooter by no means, as I'd rather get as close as possible to eliminate any variances in the shooter, more than the gun or bullet:)! But, I'm sure your long range shooting ability is probably a whole level above mine! The important thing is I know my limitations; I think that is the important part for me and those like me that don't have real life long range shooting practice! I am more apt to shoot the same load and gun all the time, that way I know it inside and out, no matter what I'm shooting or whether my shot is point blank or stretching out to 400 yards. I hear you though; anything that you can do to make a shot more consistent and lethal is the right thing to do! I underlined a couple things you pointed out, that are at the top of my list!
 

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I'm not doubting their ability. The 7 mag mentioned in my post I took an antelope at 300yds and a bull at 478yds that fall. They work, I just feel like some of the others make my job easier and give me more room for shooter error. I felt more comfortable shooting distance the next fall with a 160gr Accubond load I'd worked up and spent more time shooting. I too like to get as close as possible, I practice to be a long range shooter but I avoid it in the field whenever possible. I take more pride in getting close than making a long shot.

I don't like to say I can shoot to X range. I know how far I can shoot in the field under perfect conditions, prone/no wind/broadside animal/steady even breathing & heart rate. I also know that I can't shoot that far most of the time because conditions aren't perfect. I can tell by how steady my crosshairs can get if I should take the shot or not. I'm sure you can too, sounds like you shoot quite a bit. legitimate 400yd confidence doesn't come without practice. There is a big difference between knowing where a gun hits at 100yds and estimating from there on out, and actual shooting at 400yds in building confidence.

I bet you could shrink groups past 300yds with a premium bullet, but if what your shooting is doing the job I wouldn't change. It's cheaper, you have confidence, and it's working. No reason to switch. The bonded Corelokt probably performs about like the Accubonds I like on game. You are also shooting longer heavier bullets that probably have better BC's than a lot of standard bullets too.
 
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Jrod

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My 2 cents

Ive been shootin corelokts for years and love em. This commy state I live in has now banned them. This year we switched to Hornady copper and they performed very well. I killed a buck at 221 yards and got a complete pass thru. Ran about 10 yards and piled up. Dad was shooting same gun, had 218 yard shot and also had a pass thru and dumped him in his tracks. Not to mentioned they grouped better than the old corelokts on the paper.
Cheers
 

bdan68

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I prefer Winchester Power Points over Core lokts if I'm going to buy cheap ammunition. But I reload and don't ever hunt with factory ammo. I would suggest using a good premium bullet, and preferably a boattail. For 400 yards shots you don't want to be shooting the cheap stuff. Nosler Accubonds are great, or even the Nosler ballistic tips. Hornady SST's would be another good choice. I also like Bergers and Barnes, but not sure if you can find those in factory loaded ammo. With your 308, I'd probably go with 150 grain. But the most important thing is to find a load that your rifle likes, and that you can get nice tight groups at 300 yards.
 

Brianh

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The movement around here is to stop using lead so I broke in my 25-06 with Barnes Vor-TX, in 100 gr. copper loads. Never found the bullet from the antelope at 325 yards (exit hole was impressive), and the mule deer at 175 yards was a perfect mushroom. Find the bullet that works for your gun and practice. After sighting in with these bullets, I practice with cheaper Remington loads. Which do not have the same accuracy but I can at least clean out the barrel with them.
 

mcseal2

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The movement around here is to stop using lead so I broke in my 25-06 with Barnes Vor-TX, in 100 gr. copper loads. Never found the bullet from the antelope at 325 yards (exit hole was impressive), and the mule deer at 175 yards was a perfect mushroom. Find the bullet that works for your gun and practice. After sighting in with these bullets, I practice with cheaper Remington loads. Which do not have the same accuracy but I can at least clean out the barrel with them.
I had 5 boxes of factory 25-06 ammo from working with a friend's rifle he said wasn't shooting. The Barnes ammo was one of them. It shot very well from my rifle and did a nice job on the 3 coyotes I shot with them. Just an FYI though, my 24" barrel only got 3007fps average instead of the advertised 3225fps. Might be worth checking on if you're shooting longer range. I ended up working up a handload when time allowed that is slower than the book says it should be so maybe it's my barrel.
 

Brianh

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Yea, who knows. The ballistic chart on the box has worked for me. At 200 yards at the range it was spot on. But I didn't check the fps out of the barrel so don't know how it's shooting compared to advertised. I thought about having a friend do handloads, but instead went with these and so far have been pretty happy with how they work. I might have to check the fps now that you've got me interested, lol.
 

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I don't think that there is a factory load out there that is going to be as fast as what the factory claims. The factory uses special pressure barrels and standards that a person that is shooting a rifle can't meet.

There was also a study done quite a few years ago that found that factory ammo is just as good as reloaded ammo for hunting purposes once you find that factory ammo that your rifle likes. But reloading will squeeze out that last 1/2" of your moa group down to that 1/4moa group.
 

mcseal2

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I would not argue that, I have chronographed very few that match what the box says, even with a longer barrel than the test barrel.

223 is terrible about that. I tried quite a few factory loads that were only pushing a 55gr bullet at 2750fps from a 22" barrel. Several were reman loads with military brass, but made by large reputable companies. They claimed 3000 through 3200fps depending on the company from a 24" barrel.

Not always a huge deal, but when ordering a turret for a scope, zeroing for the multiple crosshair systems, etc. it becomes important. It makes actual shooting at any ranges you might shoot important also, not just using what the box says and going with it. Slower isn't necessarily worse, just needs adjusted for. Accuracy still beats velocity.
 

HuskyMusky

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308, out west mule deer...

I think I'd want a 150gr bullet.

I liked tipped barnes tsx type bullets, but there are many other bullets.

Even the basic federals etc... will probably do the job fine.

Find the best grouping 150gr bullet and have at it!

If none group well then I might look for the best grouping 165gr...