MT success - whole story

johnsd16

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Mar 16, 2014
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N Idaho
I didn't put this on the mule deer thread since there is a WT in there too. Also, because I'm long winded and like to post pictures.

So my hunting partner and I headed to eastern MT for our first western hunt on 11/13. We both worked and hit the road together around 7pm for the 10ish hour drive. The good weather made for easy travel and hitting deer was more a concern than the road conditions. We made good time and around 3 am in western ND I had a monster muley buck cross I-94 in front of us. Neither of us could sleep after that, even though it wasn't a close call, seeing those antlers had us both tuned in.

Day 1

I had done a lot of google earth scouting over the summer and early fall and had us booked on a couple of type 2 BMAs early in the trip. We drove straight through to the first and arrived at the parking area just before shooting time. Some rearranging of an already full truck was needed to get ready to head out on the hunt. We had both gotten a fair bit of new gear and were excited to see how we liked it let alone mule deer hunting for the first time.

We hiked into a pasture that gave way to some tall badlands type hills (we consider them mountains) and immediately flushed a covey of huns in the early morning darkness, that got the blood pumping. Not long into our hike we looked back toward the road and wouldn't ya know, there were two bucks lightly chasing a doe on the ridge of private land next to the road. A broke up half rack and a mature but not too big 4x3. Good sign we figured. We hiked further into our BMA and to a glassing spot. As my partner readied his spotter to look back at the bucks across the road, now well over a mile away, I spotted a group of does down in a valley being pushed around by a bigger deer. We turned our glass and saw a nice looking 4x4 rutting hard with a group of does. We looked him over and decided he deserved a closer look.

We had a rule that we would take alternating days being the first shooter on mutually spotted deer, but always would have right of first refusal and deer we spotted ourselves. We made good time using the terrain to cover our approach. Anticipation was high as we crept up to a rise to look down into the shallow valley the deer were in. As we gained view over the rise we could see the buck, his neck was heavy and he looked rutty. There were actually around 7-8 does he was with. There were two in particular he was pushing around with some vigor. He stopped to thrash a sage bush with his antlers and my partner ranged him at 263yds. I had my gun on my pack on the crosshairs on the buck. He was not particularly heavy, and had shallow back forks. I was also not impressed with his main beam length. It was a tough decision, but as some of the does started to get wind something wasn't right, I asked my partner if he wanted a crack at him and we both decided to pass. He was a nice buck, and we may have under judged him, but it didn't feel right to punch the tag less than two hours into our first western hunt. We hadn't even climbed a hill.

Those deer moved off and we followed a similar path up into the badlands, glassing new angles on valleys. We quickly learned that if you follow deer up over a ridge, don't count on seeing them again.

We spent the rest of the day as two sleep deprived hunters, climbing steep badlands and glassing endless valleys. We did a lot of climbing and probably some questionable footing. When we got up very high we enjoyed the nearly 60 degree weather, some soup and a nap. We could see a ton of country, but only managed to glass up another small 4x4 or 3x3 bedded way high up on a hillside (may have been the same buck, if so, he was not a shooter), a couple forkies and some does. The bucks were clearly not interested in rut during mid day.




We headed for the truck after 9.3 miles on the boots, seeing some awesome country, getting really high (for us), and passing on our first muley buck. We were both a little worried about passing, and breaking the cardinal rule of not passing an animal on the first day you'd shoot on the last, since he was a for sure last day shooter. We saw a lot of deer on the way to our lodging, and even passed a heavy 3x3 on some state land right next to the pavement. Again, shooting one in an orange vest and slippers right near the road on the first day didn't seem right. We did see a really impressive 2x2 on some private land near our BMA as well.
 
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johnsd16

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Mar 16, 2014
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N Idaho
Day 2
We were back at the initial BMA to glass from a different angle. We spend some hours there an turned up nothing. We headed for some state land that was lower and one mile in, glassed some whitetails on adjacent private land. One was a mature 4x4, probably 110-120" and pushing some does around. Then we spotted a mulie buck headed our way. He was a young bodied 4x5 with very little mass and almost a whitetail frame. He was young and didn't have the mule deer look, but cool to see. He walked within 80 yards or so and we both passed (theme beginning). We basically still hunting along some thick bottom land for well over a mile, and my partner spotted a really nice whitetail across a river. We were on public and so was he. It was a very heavy horned 18" wide mature deer with some trash. My buddy's wife forbade him from brining home a WT and he was a shooter to me. Problem was, he was at 460+ yds and across a river. We discussed a lot of options, including wading the river (we both packed waders then left them at home last minute), scooting out on a sandbar and shooting, and driving around to find him from the other side. After 20 minutes of looking him over and deciding that wading was not an option, and a shot was not out of the question, he bedded with a doe. We double timed it back to the truck, and made the drive around only to find the public land on that side, did not meet the road. He was locked in. Bummer since he was a really nice buck.

We hit some more BLM and type 1 BMA without any significant action. We hiked up really high again in the evening to overlook some brush choked draws, expecting deer to filter out at dusk. We were in off the road and everything looked good, except not a single deer showed.



In our road travels, we ran into what became known as the "Montana traffic jam".


We did another 7.4 miles and were wondering if we had the skills to kill a buck after a disappointing evening.
 

johnsd16

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N Idaho
Day 3

We found ourselves on a new BMA and for this one we had a plan. Much time looking at GE led us to a planned hike in at sunup. We glassed our way in and bumped a few does. Again, we found the terrain much rougher than we anticipated, though it did not slow us down.


We settled in on a high spot where badlands gave way to lowlands and immediately were looking over multiple groups of muley does tended by small bucks in the sage flat below us. Further out, we could see whitetails rutting in the cottonwoods. There was also another hunter, not far from his truck, and it looked like he was still hunting through the bottoms away from us. We were looking at 40+ deer just minutes after sunrise, and after a 3-4 mile hike in. Our spirits were raised after the previous evening. We kept glassing the groups of deer and we would spot different does and small bucks as they milled around. I snuck around the other side of the little steep knob we were sitting on to glass the other side of the vantage. Immediately I spotted a nice 4x5 whitetail below me in the sage. He was making a sort of scape and walking around. I looked him over and decided he was not a shooter for now, as he meandered away toward the bottoms. As he entered the open cottonwoods he found a doe, and she was not alone. A larger bodied buck appeared and began to walk stiff legged, hair raised around the 4x5. The 4x5 deferred and walked off without a fight, but they thought about it. While this is going on, my partner has a small group of muley does, tended by a immature 3x3, come right up the draw and onto the knob we were on to within 13 yards! I though I could hear him walking over to join me but it was the deer.

We glassed for a while longer and decided to move north slightly where the hills and the river made a pinch. We positioned ourselves there glassing over the sage flat and into the woods. We saw several small WT bucks pushing does around, and a few small muley bucks working the edge of the cover. I kept getting glimpses of a larger WT with a white rack and what looked like a large 2 point side on the left. I was content to take him if he gave a shot (about 350yds) between the cedars, but he did not stop in any openings for a good look let alone a shot.


Suddenly, around 10 am, after we had looked over probably 50+ deer and 11 bucks or more in this spot, two does came running out of the bottoms into the sage flat like their tails were on fire, and right behind them was a buck. It wasn't the 4x5 as we had seen him move north into another area, and he had a tall white rack so it must have been the "big" one. Those deer closed the distance of 350 yds in no time flat and for whatever reason were running straight at us. We were 30' up on a washed out bank so its not like they could scale what was below us, it was straight up. A few words were exchanged and I decided this was a shooting situation. I tried to center the buck in my scope but he was too close and all I saw was grass. I rose to my knees and got on him as he was still coming straight on, hard at 40 yds. I let loose and he, along with his two does made a hard left and began hauling a## from left to right, I chambered another round and put one behind his shoulder at about 60 yds. He tipped over and was out.

He was a decent little 4x4 with good mass and nice tines. Nothing spectacular but it sure was cool.


It all happened so fast it was hard to comprehend, but we had our first western big game animal down. Now it was time time to go to work. I put the tag on him and we got him broken down and into the packs quickly. We had game bags and then poly liner bags for the packs. I forgot the smaller bags for the cape/head in the truck. The exit was bigger than a fist so this cape didn't come out and I got to hand carry the rack out.
 

johnsd16

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Mar 16, 2014
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N Idaho
Day 4
After 8.6 miles through badlands and half of it with heavy packs the day before, we found ourselves in a similar location looking over sage flats and bottoms. We saw far fewer deer but there was a nice group of muley tended by a mature buck that worked their way into the cottonwoods, opposite of what the muleys did the previous day where they seemed to work up into the hills. At one point, in the distance, parallel to us, I saw an absolute horse of a buck. It was but a fleeting glimpse, but boy was his body big. He turned a corner and went up into the hills at least three draws away. We elected to call it a neat sighting rather than go on a wild goose chase through multiple valleys, not even knowing which one he was in.

After some more sitting and glassing, seeing only a couple small WT and MD bucks, we elected to still hunt/mini drive some of the woods in front of us. I had no gun after punching my tag the day before. We crept off the hills and into the woods. That was some of the coolest habitat I have seen. It reminds me a lot of Nebraska. About a half mile in, my partner signaled to me from a couple hundred yards away that he spotted deer. We glassed over them and it was a group of muleys. We stalked through the trees to within about 185 yards and could see the buck from earlier pushing a couple does around, and some other deer bedded. There was also a smaller buck with them. I thought it was a nice mature 4x3 buck but my buddy was not as sure. He looked him over well, and they had no idea we were there. He finally decided that he was worth shooting after several minutes of looking him over through the scope. We had also neglected to take our packs off and he was getting a little fatigued which played a role in what occurred next.

The buck stopped with his vitals completely behind a 16" cottonwood. I told my partner to drop his pack. Sure enough, as soon as he starts taking his pack off the buck steps out. He wasn't going anywhere fast. I kept my binos trained on that deer as my buddy waited for a shot. Finally the gun barked and the buck jumped. I said, "you hit him but he's still up". I won't go into details with what happened next, but it involved confused deer darting around in the cottonwoods, a fatigued shooter, and ending up with one bullet for the old ruger no.1 that I have now dubbed "coin flip".

The deer finally decided it was unsafe area and ran across the river. The buck stood on the other side, looking quite healthy, and I could some a tiny flesh wound on his left front leg. He jumped a fence and bounded off. We walked back to the truck to get ammo and check the rifle. I was 100% sure it was a gun issue as my friend has shot a lot of deer, and is not one to just miss. He was of the other opinion sighting that he put the gun together right and had shot it plenty. He felt like the vertical tree/offhand shooting combo combined with the fatigue of holding his gun up led to the miss(es). A quick check of the gun showed he was correct, it was DEAD on. I have to say I was a little more disappointed. We have both only ever missed one deer with a gun, now he had two.

We poked around that BMA and he passed on a young 4x4 that early afternoon, and we checked out some BLM that looked heavily hunted and spotted a couple does, a spike, and a decent whitetail that didn't stick around too long.

Where to hunt was totally up to him since he had the tag, and he elected to go back to almost the same spot and try to catch deer coming out of the bottoms or cruising the edge of the hills. We set up and actually spotted the 4x5 whitetail from the previous day, cruising along the river for does. A small 2x2 MD came and rubbed on trees in front of us. We were watching a WT doe and a mule fawn when a MD doe came busting out of the woods we hunted earlier. Hot on her tail was a mature buck, with an ever so slight limp. You guessed it, it was our buddy from earlier. They quartered to us at a trot closing the distance from 300+ to about 200 while we were perched a good 200' above them on the hill. My buddy readied for a shot an found his back too low after we had put on layers to glass. He situated and doe heard us and began trotting parallel. The buck had no clue what was going on but was trotting fast following her. They were about to make it to the trees. My heart was sinking. I asked if he wanted me to stop them, he said yes, and I let out a loud "hey". I took another yell but they stopped and the gun went off. That buck was dead on his feet. His off shoulder was out and he didn't go 30 yds and piled up.

It took some doing to get down from our perch and we found him easily. Sure enough it was the buck from earlier with a flesh wound on his left front leg.



It took about 40 min to get him broken down and into the packs and thank goodness for the GPS for the walk out in the dark. We did 15.3 miles that day but it sure was fun.

 
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johnsd16

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Mar 16, 2014
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N Idaho
Day 5
We slept in and enjoyed the 60 mph gusts and freezing rain/snow from the comfort of the rented farmhouse. Later, when the precip stopped, we ventured out bird hunting and saw one sharpie in almost 10 miles. We saw one deer and about 8 billion rabbits. Wind was brutal but one shot and the bird was down.


We also found a 4 point shed and a skull/antler of a winter kill from last year of a very weird buck with a messed up side and then straight up on the other.

I learned a few things out there
1. cows can go anywhere, including up onto cliffs, as evidenced by their poop being there, which also never goes away
2. there are more rabbits in MT than people, their poop also doesn't go away
3. large BMAs can be completely devoid of life, especially some near the ND border filled with oil and natural gas wells
4. I would not survive in the pre-GPS era
5. make your hunt what you want it to be, looking back I would have loved to shoot a mule deer but the situation wasn't right, I am happy

Our gear was also a huge success. We were two guys buying stuff off others recommendations (largely from this site) having never hunted the west before.

Kuiu 6000 ultra - very comfy, easy to pack, has enough compartments without being too crazy

Lowa Tibet GTX wide - super comfortable and stable, did some serious side hilling with heavy packs and felt very secure

Sitka Jetstream jacket - broke the wind great and was versatile for hot hiking and also sitting

Cabelas primaloft jacket - $20 on sale equivalent to the kelvin jacket by Sitka, was awesome as an insulation layer

Blacks creek gaiters - tough as can be but don't breath like Kuiu gaiters, trapped a fair bit of moisture but love the construction and fit

Kifaru gun bearer - worked good, a little tricky to get to stay in the right place on the shoulder strap but makes it comfy to carry the gun at the ready

Poly pack liners from Duluth pack - 6 mil poly liners available in different sizes for $3/ea, not cheap but were great to put the game bags in, inside the packs and kept everything nice and clean for the haul out

Thanks to all on here that helped me out. We are already planning for next year! We want to go somewhere every year now. Not enough time or $$$. Debating between going back to the same area or doing a WY region A hunt.
 
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johnsd16

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Mar 16, 2014
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N Idaho
Here's a picture of a screen shot of the buck we saw on private land. Pretty impressive to us. This was out the truck window at about 30 yards. He didn't have a care in the world. Just hanging out with his does. I'd be tickled to shoot a muley like this, ever. We have gone round and round about rough estimates on score. What do you think he is. His left side is weaker. I think around 170s, but not sure, and may be overestimating.
 

6mm Remington

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Great write-up and thanks for sharing. Looks like you guys had an awesome trip. Nice bucks that you took also! That last picture sure is a pretty buck. Man he has some body on him and looks like he is really put together. Gorgeous photo's. You need to print out lots of pictures when you get home and put them in your photo albums as something to always remember. Add more next year and repeat!!
David