Is the THOR bullet now legal for Oregon muzzleloader seasons?

Umpqua Hunter

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Is the all copper Barnes X type Thor Bullet now legal for Oregon muzzleloader seasons? The Thor bullets are the rage in Colorado, where full bore conicals are also required (sabots are not allowed in CO). The Thor bullet has been reported as being excellent performers on elk.

This year the regulations for muzzleloader bullets in Oregon was changed to allow for non-lead full bore conicals to be used in muzzleloader seasons. On page 30 of the 2014 Oregon regulations, the regs state (this is in blue so it is a change for 2014):

Only conical bullets made of lead, lead alloy, or federally-approved nontoxic shot material, with a length that does not exceed twice the diameter, and round balls made of lead, lead alloy, or federally-approved nontoxic material, used with cloth, paper or felt patches are allowed during muzzleloader-only seasons and 600 series hunts where there is a weapon restriction of shotgun/muzzleloader only or archery/muzzleloader only. It is illegal to hunt with non-lead bullets except for those made of federally-approved nontoxic shot material, jacketed bullets, sabots, and bullets with plastic or synthetic tips or bases during muzzleloader only seasons and 600 series hunts where there is a weapon restriction of shotgun/muzzleloader only.

I am seriously considering the all copper Thor bullet. These bullets DO NOT use a plastic base, or a sabot but instead have a copper "cup" integrated into the rear of the bullet to seat to the barrel.

The Thor bullet is an all copper Barnes "X" bullet manufactured for Thor. I believe it should now be legal in Oregon. The 247 grain hollow-point 50 caliber, Thor bullet (non plastic tipped and just under an inch long), meets the requirement of not having the length exceed twice the diameter. It also does not contain any plastic.

Here is the technicality..… the bullet is pure copper. I don't believe pure copper is on the list of "federally-approved nontoxic shot material", since pure copper is not typically used in bird shot. It does however meet the intent of the change in regulations, which is to move away from bullets containing lead, and copper is a proven performer in big game bullets.

The negatives are the price (about $1.50 per bullet, so not for target practice) and that you first have to get the sizing kit from Thor which contains four bullets (0.500", 0.501", 0.502" and 0.503") to find the bullet diameter that properly fits the bore of your specific rifle. I have typically heard very good reports about the accuracy of this bullet.

https://thorbullets.com

Sizing the bullet to your specific bore. In this video you can also see the hollow-point (non-plastic tipped) Thor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDmFUckyCUI

The 247 grain, 50 caliber, "hollow-point" version (bore sized, 0.953" long, no plastic tip, solid copper):



Integrated copper "cup" to seal the gasses (no sabot or plastic base used):



The bullet expanded:

 
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Fink

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Hmmm, seems to me that if a copper-clad iron shot, or any shot that is copper coated, is approved, then a solid copper bullet would fit the bill.

The link that MM attached advises: Nontoxic shot is defined as any shot type that does not cause sickness and death when ingested by migratory birds.

One would assume that is copper plated steel shot isn't harmful, then solid copper would fit the bill as well. Of course, you know what happens when one assumes.. :)

Bottom line: I think copper qualifies as 'non-lead', but I'd get with Oregon game and fish to verify.
 

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Hmmm, seems to me that if a copper-clad iron shot, or any shot that is copper coated, is approved, then a solid copper bullet would fit the bill.

The link that MM attached advises: Nontoxic shot is defined as any shot type that does not cause sickness and death when ingested by migratory birds.

One would assume that is copper plated steel shot isn't harmful, then solid copper would fit the bill as well. Of course, you know what happens when one assumes.. :)

Bottom line: I think copper qualifies as 'non-lead', but I'd get with Oregon game and fish to verify.
This website listing "federally-approved nontoxic shot material" is specifically geared towards "NONTOXIC SHOT REGULATIONS FOR HUNTING WATERFOWL AND COOTS IN THE U.S" rather than non-toxic big game hunting bullets. Solid copper (Barnes) and gliding metal (Hornady) have been the materials typically used in non-toxic hunting bullets. I have a friend from ODFW working on clarifying this.
 

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Hmmm, seems to me that if a copper-clad iron shot, or any shot that is copper coated, is approved, then a solid copper bullet would fit the bill.

The link that MM attached advises: Nontoxic shot is defined as any shot type that does not cause sickness and death when ingested by migratory birds.
Does this mean I can't shoot a goose or duck that is flying directly at me....with it's mouth open? I'm sure a shot or 2 could go into it's mouth when I shoot and definitely cause sickness or death! LOL......
 

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I would think the copper would be considered nontoxic since CA banned lead bullets claiming condors were dieing from eating lead bullets but since the copper bullets are legal and considered non toxic it must be ok for condors to eat them. Would think the new reg could just say if copper bullets were legal or give a definition of non toxic.
 

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Umpqua, what would you be shooting this bullet out of ? I bought a Traditions northwestern that's legal in Oregon, Idaho and California. I'm very seriously thinking of trying these, your thoughts? I'm trying to find where to order the sizing rounds, Thor is out of stock. They said to try muzzle-loader .com, but that directs me to Go Daddy? Go figure. Thanks for your input.
 

lucky guy

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Copper clad iron shot is approved by the Feds for waterfowl. A solid copper bullet would have to be fine.
Now you know ODFW better than that! If ODFW followed the feds wolves would be delisted here.


This from the regs:

http://www.dfw.state.or.us/resources/hunting/big_game/regulations/weapons.asp

"It is illegal to hunt with on-lead bullets, jacketed bullets, sabots, and bullets with plastic or synthetic bases during muzzleloader-only seasons and 600 series hunts where there is a weapon restriction of shotgun/muzzleloader only or archery/muzzleloader only. Conical lead or lead alloy bullets with a length that does not exceed twice the diameter and lead or lead alloy round balls used with cloth, paper, or felt patches are allowed."

I think "on-lead" is meant to be "non-lead."