I spent all night last night driving around chasing elk away from cattle feed lots and hay stacks. was actually a lot of fun. was some pretty big bulls, I tried getting some pictures using the spotlight as my light but it just didn't work out. those cattle guys are some tough dudes! full time job for them chasing the elk off, they have kill permits but can only kill them if they get so close. they was out all night too.
Hazing elk
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Prerylyon
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Man, that sounds like fun, albeit hard work. I'm sure its just simple economics for the ranchers, the hay is to feed the beef, not the elk! 
The immediate image that came to mind was from the cartoon movie, 'Cars', where Mater and Lightning go out at night tractor tipping/bull running. Lol (I still have little kids in the house)
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The immediate image that came to mind was from the cartoon movie, 'Cars', where Mater and Lightning go out at night tractor tipping/bull running. Lol (I still have little kids in the house)
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haha, it was fun! fish and game gave me a truck and spot light and a shotgun loaded with firework shots and told me to go raise hell with em! those suckers were using the canal and ditch beds to go unseen then would pop up at fence line where they were welcomed by propane cannon shots.
does sound like fun.
BUT seems pretty stressful to herd.weren't you the one calling for a ban to shed hunting till may?
funny how fish an game says not to run the wild game in winter an then does it. why don't they just feed em and lure em away that way?
feed em , A QUARTER MILE AWAY . NEXT DAY HALF MILE ,THEN MILE TILL THEY GO WHERE YOU WANT EM.you would still have to keep em from stack till they gone but they would go where they can actually eat.
or ranchers could simply build game fences to keep elk from stacks , since this is a repeating problem and not just a this year thing.
there was a time when ranchers were self sufficient and didn't look to government intervention to solve their problems.
IT doesn't really bother me ,that they are being run off ,just pointing out the hypocrisy of situation.
and trying to find solution that is less stressful to the herd since so many claim to care so much about them.
better yet, begin the feeding program BEFORE they become ,the problem in the first place
BUT seems pretty stressful to herd.weren't you the one calling for a ban to shed hunting till may?
funny how fish an game says not to run the wild game in winter an then does it. why don't they just feed em and lure em away that way?
feed em , A QUARTER MILE AWAY . NEXT DAY HALF MILE ,THEN MILE TILL THEY GO WHERE YOU WANT EM.you would still have to keep em from stack till they gone but they would go where they can actually eat.
or ranchers could simply build game fences to keep elk from stacks , since this is a repeating problem and not just a this year thing.
there was a time when ranchers were self sufficient and didn't look to government intervention to solve their problems.
IT doesn't really bother me ,that they are being run off ,just pointing out the hypocrisy of situation.
and trying to find solution that is less stressful to the herd since so many claim to care so much about them.
better yet, begin the feeding program BEFORE they become ,the problem in the first place
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I was on volunteer list and they called me. its not so much the hay that the ranchers were worried about but the elk getting in with the cattle. these elk are not in any hardship, they are fat and happy. been feasting in a turnip field. and no I wasn't calling for a ban until may, I supported it. one of the landowners I talked to said they started coming last year because the guy that owns the field adjacent to the feed lots planted turnips and left a ton hoping to attract wintering game, and last year was the first year the elk came in. that guy planted turnips again and with the harsh winter and henry creek fire a lot more elk came in. I too wonder why they don't set up a feed station for them away from these cattle. but I'm not fish and game, but jumped on the opportunity to go check out a bunch of elk. not talking about a small number of elk either.
to be clear, I don't fault you for doing it. I would have also.
I was just pointing out the hypocracy of the policy. and knew from your past posts that you probably could see it also and not get offended by my post . I appreciate your ability of rational response.
I do question why it should be the fish and games responsibility to repay the ranchers . why don't they go buy insurance to recoup damages like the rest of us have to do, for our businesses.
again, just pointing out the hypocracy.
most ranchers claim to be of conservative values but are among the first to come calling with hat in hand , to government when damages occur
I get that diseases can be spread. it is a no brainer that disease is much more likely to spread in winter in a close environment then on thousands of acres, where animals are not in close quarters.
there is no denying ,there is a problem that needs to be addressed. just seems to me there are better options of doing it.
I was just pointing out the hypocracy of the policy. and knew from your past posts that you probably could see it also and not get offended by my post . I appreciate your ability of rational response.
I do question why it should be the fish and games responsibility to repay the ranchers . why don't they go buy insurance to recoup damages like the rest of us have to do, for our businesses.
again, just pointing out the hypocracy.
most ranchers claim to be of conservative values but are among the first to come calling with hat in hand , to government when damages occur
I get that diseases can be spread. it is a no brainer that disease is much more likely to spread in winter in a close environment then on thousands of acres, where animals are not in close quarters.
there is no denying ,there is a problem that needs to be addressed. just seems to me there are better options of doing it.
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Brucellosis is probably the main concern. If I recall, the vaccine, Bangs, is not 100% effective in cattle, but I'd be checking ear tags/tattoos to be sure they were vaccinated. Many states require it and testing is common. I've helped do it, it's an interesting process. If your cattle are not protected, it can cost you bunches of calves and possibly lead to your herd being destroyed. I am surprised the local ranchers have not dealt with the turnip guy.
I wish you best of luck with that.agreed. but I'm hoping to make contacts with said landowner again and get permission to look for sheds...
probably not a lot they can do about it legally. if I know ranchers, I spect they have probly had words though.lol
I have not met many farmers or ranchers that are not feuding with at least one neighbor.being cantankerous is in their blood.
I do not say that as a put down , it is actually a high compliment.
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CrimsonArrow
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My experiences with cattle ranchers has been limited, but enough to give me a negative opinion of the majority. They always want their cake and eat it, too. They want perfect weather to grow feed crops, and subsidies when they don't. They rarely grant permission to hunt their land, yet graze their 1,000 head on public land for pennies. They want landowner tags to sell, yet run the game off of a haystack in the dead of winter. I don't get landowner tags here, but I give the deer on my land supplemental feed during the winter at a considerable expense. When the animals are on my property, I feel it is my duty to ensure they are cared for. I wish all landowners felt a stewardship towards the land and animals, not just dollar signs.
Bonecollector
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I know they are not all this way, but unfortunately I've met a lot of them that were...
I get that they are trying to make a living but would tend to agree that most ranchers are the toughest bunch of wittle crybabies I have ever met.
there is a particular one here that whines about F&G letting the elk herds grow to big. then his genius solution was to stop letting any and all hunters on property to thin the herds.
lol.now there's some liberal mentality thinking for ya.
there is a particular one here that whines about F&G letting the elk herds grow to big. then his genius solution was to stop letting any and all hunters on property to thin the herds.
lol.now there's some liberal mentality thinking for ya.
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maninthemaze
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Was this crop ground or just pasture?
Here in KY farmers plant turnips during the winter to break the ground. Cheap alternative to running a disc or plow through it. The turnips grow about a foot into the ground then come spring, they rot away leaving voids in the ground, and they can simply plant corn/beans right over it. Really works good on clay soils.
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andrew12gauge
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I suspect just setting up a feed station x distance from the hay stacks would not work, I participated in a depredation hunt in the weiser river zone this year, as I understood from the hired guy that was giving me the lowdown, there were several feed stations in the very near vicinity to this particular ranch however there were a fair number of elk that just preferred their haystacks to the feed stations
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