Globe Sights for Muzzleloaders

[hoshour]

I just bought a CVA Accura v2 muzzleloader with the Bergara nitride barrel and am thinking about putting on a better sight than the standard post.

I saw a Lyman globe sight http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/sights/front-sights/lyman-target-front-sight-model-17-ahb-404-height-sku539017360-7959-20213.aspx?sku=539-017-360with a Lee Shaver crosshair insert http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/sights/sight-parts/sight-inserts/post-aperture-card-17a-sight-sku781100017-12372-29094.aspx?sku=781-100-017 and thought that looked like an interesting combination. I even thought about spraying the crosshairs with a thin flourescent coating if that's legal in Colorado.

Has anyone tried these sights? What is your favorite set of sights for an inline muzzleloader?

 

[BKC]

hoshour, no scopes in colorado on your ml.

 

[hoshour]

I understand, but a globe sight is an open iron sight. No glass and no magnification. My understanding is that they are legal.

 

[Tim McCoy]

I've not tried this, but have heard good things about it. If I decided to do a hunt where I had to use iron sights it would probably get tried. My only other idea is to ask for an accommodation under the ADA for a zero power scope...

http://www.eyepalusa.com/

 

[JimP]

Those sights should work quite well for Colorado including painting the crosses with a florescent paint.

Because of my eyesight I ended up going with a peep sight on my inline for hunting in Colorado. And now if you hunt the ML hunt in Utah you can use any scope and not just a 1x one, so I am thinking that next year I may just put a 3x9 on mine that I have sitting in the gun room. But then I'd need to pull it off for the Colorado hunts. But a better idea would be to purchase a 3rd muzzle loader which would be more fun.

 

[hoshour]

The CVA Accura v2 mountain rifle version with the nitride Bergara barrel is the best I found. Only 6.3 lbs. and "guaranteed to be the most accurate muzzleloader you've ever shot or your money back." I read one review where they were testing different powder and bullet combinations and groups at 100 yards varied from 1 1/8" to 1 1/2". Now that's accurate for a muzzleloader!

I picked up mine up new for $200 off because it has a cosmetic blemish. They still have more at the same price I believe. Send me a PM if you are interested. One interesting thing about the nitride barrel is that it is so slick inside that the powder blows right through and you don't have to clean it to reload and shoot a couple times. Also adds 100 fps to the velocity.

 

[tdcour]

https://www.gohunt.com/read/skills/increased-accuracy-from-an-open-sight-muzzleloader#gs.CNjcqx8

Check this article out Dave. You might find it right up your alley. PM me the info on that gun. I might be interested as I may be trying for CO muzzy this year as a second choice.

 

[Silentstalker]

The CVA Accura v2 mountain rifle version with the nitride Bergara barrel is the best I found. Only 6.3 lbs. and "guaranteed to be the most accurate muzzleloader you've ever shot or your money back." I read one review where they were testing different powder and bullet combinations and groups at 100 yards varied from 1 1/8" to 1 1/2". Now that's accurate for a muzzleloader!

I picked up mine up new for $200 off because it has a cosmetic blemish. They still have more at the same price I believe. Send me a PM if you are interested. One interesting thing about the nitride barrel is that it is so slick inside that the powder blows right through and you don't have to clean it to reload and shoot a couple times. Also adds 100 fps to the velocity.

I bought a CVA Accura MR last year and its even more accurate than you describe! I can not recommend these muzzleloaders more. Here is a pic of the best load I found for mine. This was 100 yards off a rest. Good luck in your search for good iron sights. Those look like a good option.

 

[hoshour]

Just wanted to give an update on the CVA Accura - I didn't realize the mountain rifle version is not predrilled for iron sights even though they predrill the regular Accura. Have no idea why, but I had to return the gun for the regular Accura because most of my hunting is in Colorado. I don't want to pay a gunsmith to try drilling them, especially in that hardened nitride barrel. Just beware if you're looking to pick one up.

Also, if you're reading reviews about shooting a muzzleloader at 200+ yards - here's a little reality check. Bullet drop at 150 yards is 5" - at 200 yards it is 14" with a 300 grain belted bullet. Add much more yardage and you are measuring bullet drop in feet.

And, wind drift is big factor with muzzleloaders. Just a 10 mph crosswind will move your bullet a foot at 200 yards, according to one respected reviewer I read. That's a bigger problem than bullet drop because if the animal is facing the wind and you didn't remember to correct for that gentle wind, you likely shot him in the gut.

Bottom line: a muzzleloader is at the very most a 200 yard gun and is much better at 100-150 yards, just enough to a bit more than double your max range with a bow, not to use it like a centerfire rifle.

 

[RICMIC]

I'm in the same boat, and had planned to call Sportsmens Guide after the MLK weekend to cancel or shift my order. However I was just sent an e-mail that FedEx would be here tomorrow with it. Fast service from SG, even though it was listed as 2-3 weeks delivery for the standard (free) shipping I think 3days over a holiday weekend is exceptional service. The "Northwest" Accura rifle was substantially more because they didn't have the discount, so will price the gunsmith option.

 

[ColoradoV]

I use a williams peep with a globe front w cross hair insert on my white 91 and like the set up. At the range it is fun lofting some out there to 300+ yds but it is a lot of clicks. It is a very accurate way to shoot a muzzle loader.

Should be able to get some pics of my set up and can post them up.

 

[mallardsx2]

Just wanted to give an update on the CVA Accura - I didn't realize the mountain rifle version is not predrilled for iron sights even though they predrill the regular Accura. Have no idea why, but I had to return the gun for the regular Accura because most of my hunting is in Colorado. I don't want to pay a gunsmith to try drilling them, especially in that hardened nitride barrel. Just beware if you're looking to pick one up.

Also, if you're reading reviews about shooting a muzzleloader at 200+ yards - here's a little reality check. Bullet drop at 150 yards is 5" - at 200 yards it is 14" with a 300 grain belted bullet. Add much more yardage and you are measuring bullet drop in feet.

And, wind drift is big factor with muzzleloaders. Just a 10 mph crosswind will move your bullet a foot at 200 yards, according to one respected reviewer I read. That's a bigger problem than bullet drop because if the animal is facing the wind and you didn't remember to correct for that gentle wind, you likely shot him in the gut.

Bottom line: a muzzleloader is at the very most a 200 yard gun and is much better at 100-150 yards, just enough to a bit more than double your max range with a bow, not to use it like a centerfire rifle.

I shot a deer this year at 165 yards with an inline....Bullet blew off target 16 inches. Hit him in the liver.

Then had to chase him down and shoot him a few more times.... it was a disaster...

Finally got him killed but it wasn't pretty.

Im not sure how hard that wind was blowing but it was freaking howling when I shot and I though I compensated enough for it.

I was pretty confident that I would be ok but after this year I decided that a 150 yard shot is a log shot for a muzzlelaoder. Im going to try and get closer on my next one.

 

[Slugz]

Another plug for the Williams peep........we have done some customizing with fluorescent paint on posts/beads........we used some NW fishing/steelhead glo paint.....greenish tint to a white base.

Williams peep with a Thor/BH209 combo has put alot of brown down and fixed some muzzleloaders guys wanted to throw away.

220 days till the COLORADO ARCHERY OPENER!!!!!!!!! WHOOP WHOOP

 

[Wilhelm]

I picked up the CVA Optima V2 with the nitride barrel last summer with the specific purpose of colorado elk hunting. Installed the Williams peep site on the rear, with the Lyman globe site on the front with the Lee Shaver inserts. At 100 yds using BH 209 and either the Hornady 300 grain FPB's and the Federal Premium Lead bullets I could hold a 4 inch group at 100 yds. That is a standing shot, not on a bench (who ever gets a bench shot in the wild?). I would agree that you need to put some fluorescent paint on the front site. Also agree that 100 to 150 yds is the most you would dare shoot at an elk. Only get one shot with the muzzy, and tracking an elk in the mountains is not as easy as chasing down a whitetail in the fields of Iowa.