Dick Metcalf

Colorado Cowboy · Nov 3, 2013

I subscribe to G & A and have read the article.

Unfortunately I don't completely agree with either of you. I am a CC holder and have been for 15 years. I've been thru the training MY state requires. The Feds pretty much stay out of the CC issue, it is the states that set the requirements. Some states are fine, some aren't. Here in Colorado the requirements were rewritten a couple of years ago. Before then, each County could set their own regs. Now everything is state level, but the County still issues the permit but adheres to the state reqm'ts.. Some states it's almost impossible to a C C permit...like California.

Do I believe that setting requirements for the issues of a CC permit is wrong......emphatically no. Not every gun owner should automatically have a CC permit. I believe that training and profiency should be part of the requirements. Should everyone automatically get a hunting license.....thats why we have Hunter Safety Training. If you believe that no training and profiency is required, then we should do away with hunter safety too. I don't think so. I sure wouldn't want to be in the field if that was the case.

We need some REASONABLE regulation for everyones safety, especially mine. Rest my case.

Musket Man · Nov 4, 2013

I agree some form of training should be required. Washington here all you have to do is pass the background check. I think Idaho has a good idea here. They accept a hunters safety card, DD 214 showing you were in the military, or you can take a 1 day course. I got Idaho's too because it is accepted in Wyoming, Nebraska, and a couple other states that WA is not. ! thing I cant understand is if you are an ID resident your CWP is accepted in CO, but if your not an ID resident its not accepted in CO. The requirements are the same for either.

ssliger · Nov 4, 2013

There needs to be some training involved. I was able to get mine in Wyoming by showing them my hunter safety card and a background check. I took Hunter safety when I was 8 years old. Thats all they needed.

BKC · Nov 4, 2013

My father taught me how to use a firearm. That is probably not good enough for the state I live in. When facing my assailant, I'm O.K. with a handgun and no formal training.

Chippy Hacky · Nov 4, 2013

"Shall not be infringed". A right given to us by our creator, no requirement for a class.

Colorado Cowboy · Nov 5, 2013

I stand by my original post. I am a certified NRA Pistol & Rifle Instructor and Range Safety Officer. I have seen some stuff at the range that would curl your hair. I was also a hunter safety Instructor in California. The article in G & A was on training requirements for concealed carry....thats all. I've seen people buy a handgun and not even know how to load it or put it on safe.

I think it would help for some of you to read the article that the original post was based on!

trkytrack2 · Nov 5, 2013

Colorado Cowboy said:
I subscribe to G & A and have read the article.

Unfortunately I don't completely agree with either of you. I am a CC holder and have been for 15 years. I've been thru the training MY state requires. The Feds pretty much stay out of the CC issue, it is the states that set the requirements. Some states are fine, some aren't. Here in Colorado the requirements were rewritten a couple of years ago. Before then, each County could set their own regs. Now everything is state level, but the County still issues the permit but adheres to the state reqm'ts.. Some states it's almost impossible to a C C permit...like California.

Do I believe that setting requirements for the issues of a CC permit is wrong......emphatically no. Not every gun owner should automatically have a CC permit. I believe that training and profiency should be part of the requirements. Should everyone automatically get a hunting license.....thats why we have Hunter Safety Training. If you believe that no training and profiency is required, then we should do away with hunter safety too. I don't think so. I sure wouldn't want to be in the field if that was the case.

We need some REASONABLE regulation for everyones safety, especially mine. Rest my case.

I agree with the required training and agree with some of the regulations that a person must adhere to so that they can get a CC permit.
I adamantly believe that EVERYONE should be required to pass a hunter safety course no matter how young OR old they are. None of the "if born before this date" crap, grandfathered in. I've seen too many "jerks" that have no business out in the field with a weapon in their hands and no clue what the hell they were doing.

Colorado Cowboy · Nov 5, 2013

I guess we agree to disagree, but 16 hours of training for a concealed carry permit is surely no infringement of anyones 2nd Amendment rights. No one said anything about Democrat or Republican.

wapiti66 · Nov 5, 2013

I agree that if you give them an inch you will lose a mile. It's all about taking baby steps for them (politicians) to keep picking away at our rights and growing government. I didn't read the article and probably won't, but I get a bad taste in my mouth when they start talking about more regulation about anything, let alone the 2nd amendment. No law they will pass will save lives, but they will do their best to make all of us miserable as we jump through their hoops and keep paying for their regulations and programs. Stupid people are always going to exist and they will always do stupid things, politicians in Washington cannot prevent accidents from happening by mandating tests and regs, they just make it more expensive for everybody to play the game.

brooks · Nov 5, 2013

CC.... a lot of people in Colorado must disagree because I see Colorado's new gun laws have some people wanting Colorado to become the 51st state and get away from the crazy, liberals in the state govt. because of in part the ....New Colorado gun laws. People don't want any kind of govt. interference in with firearms ! Remember when Smith & Wesson agreed to some safety things with their guns for the Clinton adm. .....S&W just about went under because of it.

Chippy Hacky · Nov 5, 2013

The government has never been any good at legislating things like common sense. They are, however, good at legislating legislation, they do that well. That still won't make anyone safer.

"Shall not be infringed" is pretty straight forward.

That doesn't mean that we shouldn't seek wisdom. Its just that it shouldn't come from the government, they have a way of screwing that up too.

Colorado Cowboy · Nov 5, 2013

brooks said:
CC.... a lot of people in Colorado must disagree because I see Colorado's new gun laws have some people wanting Colorado to become the 51st state and get away from the crazy, liberals in the state govt. because of in part the ....New Colorado gun laws. People don't want any kind of govt. interference in with firearms ! Remember when Smith & Wesson agreed to some safety things with their guns for the Clinton adm. .....S&W just about went under because of it.

The new laws passed here in Colorado had absolutely nothing to do with what this post is about. I was and am against the new laws. This post is about 16 hours of training needed before you get a concealed carry permit in ILL. Thats what the G & A story was about!!!

I have a question for all of you....How many of you actually have a carry permit? If you have a permit and took a class to get it, then what I am about to say will not be new. A lot of the instruction concerns the laws (of your state) concerning concealed carry, what you can and can't do as far as where you carry. Familiarization of how to conceal carry. Scenarios of situations you can encounter and how to react. Practice firing in all types of enviornments (darkness, crowds, indoors, etc) and more.

I you really think that learning how to be proficient in situations and circumstances that you can encounter when carry a concealed weapon is infringing on your 2nd ammendment rights, you really don't know much about concealed carry! Its not just stuffing a handgun in your waistband and walking around in public. If you excersize your right to carry a concealed weapon, you had better know what you are doing.

Rant over!!

xtreme · Nov 6, 2013

I believe everyone has good intentions here. I just renewed my concealed carry license which I did take classes for. My shooting this time was very good, impressive even. My wife is just waiting for her cc to arrive in the mail. She went to class and passed her test. When she told me in decided to find out how much she had learned. She had learned enough that I was satisfied it was fine for her to conceal carry. Her shooting ability was never in question. We could get in real trouble quick with a mistake. Having pointed out the need for training Ido agree with Colorado Cowboy, we should have training and background checks too. The problem comes from over reach and incroachment I call training creep. Rules change, procedures are not uniform, states are not uniform, some states do not follow the constitution.
The more attention I pay to what the founding fathers knew the more I am impressed. Maybe because they had fresh memories of a loss of liberty.

CoHiCntry · Nov 6, 2013

I you really think that learning how to be proficient in situations and circumstances that you can encounter when carry a concealed weapon is infringing on your 2nd ammendment rights, you really don't know much about concealed carry! Its not just stuffing a handgun in your waistband and walking around in public. If you excersize your right to carry a concealed weapon, you had better know what you are doing.

I really DO think having to take a mandated course to be proficient to carry IS infringing on my 2nd amendment rights. My thought is everyone should take personal responsibility to learn how to properly own, use, a firearm if they choose to carry one. Having the government step in and tell us what we have to do only makes us that much less free. I don't think we should even have to apply for permits either. I'll never understand why everyone wants the government to step in and save us from ourselves? Will there always be "stupid people" as someone else pointed out doing stupid things. You bet! The government interfering in our lives won't fix that. "Shall not be infringed" is pretty clear to me too.

wapiti66 · Nov 6, 2013

It's the "training creep" and over reach that xtreme talks about that is the reason to put our foot on the brakes now, b/c we won't stop them but we can slow them down a little. It's not that somewhat of a class and background check is out of the question for me, but they won't stop adding to it every time some nut goes and shoots up a crowd of people.

mcseal2 · Nov 6, 2013

I'd think most people will come across a firearm sometime in their life and should at least know how to safely handle it.

I think gun safety should be taught in school just like reading, math, etc. with shooting as an optional course. It worked in the old days, guns didn't need to be regulated because everyone respected them as a useful tool that could be dangerous if used incorrectly. There was not an irrational fear of guns from those who don't understand them. It would still work today, good luck convincing anyone though.

xtreme · Nov 6, 2013

I just now refreshed what Patrick Henry said in his speech in 1775. I am not quite ready to go that far. Death as I have seen it seems to warrant more compromise. My real feeling would be what CoHiCountry said, that looks like the only way to preserve our amendment rights.
It is now evident that our leaders have no intentions of abiding by the constitution. Our Supreme Court has lost its way.

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