Caliber Question

Bonecollector

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Go easy as I'm a rookie on this stuff and was just curious. :)

What is the difference between the Nosler 26 and the soon to be released Nosler 28?
How close are these to the Creedmore or 7MM or 300Mag? I recently read less kick and better ballistics than their counterparts.
Just for the record: I saw a Cooper Nosler 26 along with a few other selections at Cabelas earlier this week for $1,900. It was one sweet looking rig!

Thanks for the education guys!
~Bill
 

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I'm what everyone calls "old school" so keep this in mind. One thing you have to be careful about when a cartridge manufacturer comes out with something new, is that they are trying to get you to buy theirs instead of a caliber that is already proven and on the market. The Nosler 26 has only slightly better ballistics than a 25-06 and slightly less than the .257 Wby. In my 60 years of shooting & reloading, I've seen lots of "newer & better" stuff ride off into the sunset. Unless you reload, you will have trouble finding ammunition for sure in the beginning. Hard to beat a 7mm mag or .300 win mag for deer and elk and you can find ammo almost anywhere.

I shoot a 25-06 for deer and antelope and a .300 Wby for elk & moose. I have developed my reloads that outperform any factory loads and shoot better groups. I wouldn't trade any of my current inventory for ANYTHING elso out there.

Just sayin...............
 

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The Nosler 26 is .264 or 6.5mm caliber, the 28 is .284 or 7mm caliber. Both have large cases and burn lots of powder to be among the fastest of the cartridges of their respective calibers. The 26's main advantage over the 25's CC mentioned is it's ability to throw a heavier weight bullet with a great BC for very long range work. I use a 25-06 or 280 (.284 caliber) for pretty much everything I hunt, both based off the 30-06 case, which has less powder capacity the the 26/28/257wby. This also allows me to get great performance from a 24" barrel, the bigger mags need a 26" barrel, at least, to reach their full potential. If I want to prepare for very long range stuff, I take my 280. Difficult to find high BC bullets in the 25's.

Both the 300 Win Mag and 300 Wby use .308 bullets. Most would probably say the Weatherby may give better velocity, both are great rounds. A 7mm Rem Mag uses a .284 bullet, but can achieve velocities right in there with the 300's with a lower bullet weight. There is not an elk walking the earth that is likely yo know the difference between a 180 gr. bullet from one of the 300's, vs a 160gr. bullet from the 7mm, with bullets of the same type.

I think what you really need to decide to pick between the various offerings in a given caliber is; how far will I shoot? The further you plan to shoot, especially if past 500-600 yards, the better the fast rounds that can throw a heavier bullet look, which is where the .264, .284 and .308 caliber bullets have an advantage over the 25's. This is due to many factors. For myself, my 280 has excellent accuracy and adequate velocity to insure bullet performance further than I will shoot. My limit is 600 yards under ideal conditions. Relative to the 7mm's, for me the faster 7mm's, while great rounds, are just a waste of powder, money and make more noise...than my 280 and come in a larger less handy package that recoils more. You can make the same analogy about the 300's vs the 30-06 as well. My two cents anyway.
 

Tim McCoy

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Sorry, I missed the Creedmore, assuming it is the 6.5. In the analogy above with the 7mm's, it would most closely resemble the remarks I made about the 280 vs the larger offerings. Very capable moderate intensity round of modern design, made for long range competitive accuracy work, and very a capable hunting round in a small package. It is the only round mentioned where you can use a short action.
 

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What do you want to use the rifle for?
Personally, if you are getting an elk rifle, be in the .30 and above. Deer and elk rifle the .270 would be minimum caliber. But to each his own. I did shoot a spike last year with my .270wsm and I probably won't use it again for just elk. I will continue with my .338 win mag. But if I was to go rifle shopping all over and get one rifle for everything, either a .30-06 or .300 mag, either the wsm or the wm.
 

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If it was me I'd stick with a caliber that's been around for awhile even if you are doing reloads. My hunting guns consist of a 25-06, a .338 Win mag, and a 300 rum for the super long range. But my go to gun has always been my savage .338 Win as I feel comfortable shooting everything up to 500 yards. Even being a girl, I get some crazy remarks about how big of a cartridge it is but recoil can be managed easily with a muzzle break.
 

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I personally do not care for a barrel that's longer than 24" when hunting. I think the tried and proven calibers have stood the test of time and like already mentioned an elk or deer isn't going to know the difference in calibers.
 

Bonecollector

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Thanks for all the info guys!
How much recoil does a muzzle break take out of a gun? I've never shot with one?

Another question: As I was browsing the Cabela gun library, I saw a carbon wrapped barrel on a rifle. It made it very light which would be great for a mountain rifle. What are the thoughts on this? It's new to me. I believe it was a Christensen Arms gun? High end stuff.
Thanks for helping a rookie. :)

Bill
 

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the 28 nobler is going to have some awesome ballistics with the 195 berger but this is all a new caliber that gets everyone excited. i have tried many different calibers including some of the new ones and i personally would stick with a tried and true caliber but if your looking for some awesome long range ballistics the 28 nobler is going to be up there. i personally think the best longrange caliber is the 300 rum with 210 bergers, its a hard to beat unless u step up to the 338 caliber beyond 1000 yards. i would stick to the 300 win mag or 7 mag but what i really like is the 7wsm, just my opinion.
 

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This is a great info source, and has info on brakes. http://precisionrifleblog.com/

My two cents on muzzle brakes, the higher intensity the cartridge, the more potential to get felt reduced recoil for the shooter. Personally, I hate them with a passion for hunting, noisy ear killers. Get a reasonable weight rifle for your chosen cartridge, an efficient barrel length for it, a properly fitted stock, and practise. Thats how I roll anyway. Way too many folks are over gunned and basically afraid of the gun, and for them a brake is of little help. Many use them with great success and skill. All that said, the good brakes work very well for reducing felt recoil.

Relative to carbon wrapped barrels, I'd do quite a bit of vetting. This ole country boy thinks that anything that has been wrapped, can come unwrapped. I have zero experience with them. They may very well be perfect, I have no idea.
 

Bonecollector

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was justing trying to learn a thing or 2. LoL
I am in the market for an all around gun, was thinking of a 7mag or maybe 6.5 creedmore. I'd want to use it for antelope -elk when I make it west. I also was leaning toward a moderate light gun as I like to pack-in aways. Last year - 7 miles.
And I'd like to move up from my single shot 300wm.
Good stuff here guys. Keep it coming.
 

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I have a Tikka T3 in 6.5x55 if you said I could only keep 1 gun that is the one it would be. my neighbor has a 6.5x284 and I have several friends with 6.5s of one kind or another. Everyone I know that has anything in 6.5 loves it. they are accurate and with the heavier bullets have some of the better ballistic coefficients out there . it is my go to rifle for antelope and mule deer but I would prefer something different for elk .If you get anything in 6.5 it will very likely end up being one of your favorite guns I would just get something a little bigger if you intend it to be an all around gun.
 

Retterath

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The Nosler 26 is .264 or 6.5mm caliber, the 28 is .284 or 7mm caliber. Both have large cases and burn lots of powder to be among the fastest of the cartridges of their respective calibers. The 26's main advantage over the 25's CC mentioned is it's ability to throw a heavier weight bullet with a great BC for very long range work. I use a 25-06 or 280 (.284 caliber) for pretty much everything I hunt, both based off the 30-06 case, which has less powder capacity the the 26/28/257wby. This also allows me to get great performance from a 24" barrel, the bigger mags need a 26" barrel, at least, to reach their full potential. If I want to prepare for very long range stuff, I take my 280. Difficult to find high BC bullets in the 25's. I

Both the 300 Win Mag and 300 Wby use .308 bullets. Most would probably say the Weatherby may give better velocity, both are great rounds. A 7mm Rem Mag uses a .284 bullet, but can achieve velocities right in there with the 300's with a lower bullet weight. There is not an elk walking the earth that is likely yo know the difference between a 180 gr. bullet from one of the 300's, vs a 160gr. bullet from the 7mm, with bullets of the same type.

I think what you really need to decide to pick between the various offerings in a given caliber is; how far will I shoot? The further you plan to shoot, especially if past 500-600 yards, the better the fast rounds that can throw a heavier bullet look, which is where the .264, .284 and .308 caliber bullets have an advantage over the 25's. This is due to many factors. For myself, my 280 has excellent accuracy and adequate velocity to insure bullet performance further than I will shoot. My limit is 600 yards under ideal conditions. Relative to the 7mm's, for me the faster 7mm's, while great rounds, are just a waste of powder, money and make more noise...than my 280 and come in a larger less handy package that recoils more. You can make the same analogy about the 300's vs the 30-06 as well. My two cents anyway.
Great information
 

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If I were buying a new gun it would probabally be a 270 or 300 WSM because they are made for a short action and a lighter gun. The carbon wrapped barrel, muzzle break, new Nosler mags, ect would be alot more money and woundnt do alot of good unless you plan to shoot a long ways.
 

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Well said Retterath. I second MM comment on the 270 also. If I were gonna have to start all over I'd have a .270 and a .284. Hunting here in CO for elk, deer and antelope I've seam to either fall into two scenarios while hunting. Shots 150 yds and less or 250 yards and over. We hunt a lot in the dark stuff so a shorter overall gun like the .270/7mm-08 swings a lot easier IMO. Later in the season post all rut activity (bulls) or late season (cow) we seam to be higher on ridges in canyons chasing them in their hidey holes where I need that longer shot. I like the faster, lighter bullet, flatter trajectory the 7mm can give you. I shoot a 7mm RUM but obviously have to manage the barrel life on that one.

To go a step further if your a handloader, looking to save money, have a family hunting and need to manage recoil and have the ability to grow with the kids the .284/7mm is tough to beat. 1 bullet size and two guns (7mm-08/ 7mm) covers all your bases in many different hunting scenarios very nicely.