CA sheep tags cut

JNDEER

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well...if your not a max point holder, the 1 tag becomes a pure random drawing.
 

Jrod

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I have max points but so do thousands of others. Someone will have to get drawn, it might as well be me. Positive thoughts :)
 
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Kickemall

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Between the disease outbreaks and the lions, the sheep have a pretty tough time maintaining the population.
Until California chooses to exercise sound predator management, specifically lions, the sheep are going to have trouble growing herd size. Three years ago DFG was going to kill some lions to protect sheep and a DFG biologist, involved in the sheep program, took that info. to the Sierra Club and HSUS who put enough political pressure on DFG to have the lion management stopped. Environmental organizations in the state believe that nature should be left alone to manage itself but somehow fail to realize that man has his hand in the cookie jar and all species need to be managed. The upper management of DFG, now DFW, has very nearly become puppets for these organizations and the majority of DFW commissioners are non-hunters with ties to environmental organizations. Science based wildlife management has left the building in California. Wait until we get wolves then we'll really see how bad it gets.
 

Sawfish

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Until California chooses to exercise sound predator management, specifically lions, the sheep are going to have trouble growing herd size. Three years ago DFG was going to kill some lions to protect sheep and a DFG biologist, involved in the sheep program, took that info. to the Sierra Club and HSUS who put enough political pressure on DFG to have the lion management stopped. Environmental organizations in the state believe that nature should be left alone to manage itself but somehow fail to realize that man has his hand in the cookie jar and all species need to be managed. The upper management of DFG, now DFW, has very nearly become puppets for these organizations and the majority of DFW commissioners are non-hunters with ties to environmental organizations. Science based wildlife management has left the building in California. Wait until we get wolves then we'll really see how bad it gets.
Well said!
 

marcusvdk

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Well said yeah michigan is in a fight now for wolf management the hsus and sierra club have gotten enough petitions to put wolf hunting on the ballet so last years wolf hunt could possible have been our last if they gett there way in november here

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Kickemall

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I should add that there are some very good people in DFW who want to manage predators and know game management but they are becoming outnumbered by others. Add in the political aspect of California and their science/experience based views are dismissed. When you have employees like the biologist listed above that go outside their agency to forward their personal agenda you have an agency incapable of doing its job. This doesn't really apply to sheep because generally their ranges are different but watch what happens now that Ca. banned using dogs on bear. Bears have a huge impact on deer fawns and elk calves and with the bear population on a dramatic upswing before the ban it will only be worse for the deer and elk herds. Unfortunately I see no changes on the horizon. Without poison and traps (which I don't advocate) you will only dent the predator population even with extremely generous seasons.
 

Alabama

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I should add that there are some very good people in DFW who want to manage predators and know game management but they are becoming outnumbered by others. Add in the political aspect of California and their science/experience based views are dismissed. When you have employees like the biologist listed above that go outside their agency to forward their personal agenda you have an agency incapable of doing its job. This doesn't really apply to sheep because generally their ranges are different but watch what happens now that Ca. banned using dogs on bear. Bears have a huge impact on deer fawns and elk calves and with the bear population on a dramatic upswing before the ban it will only be worse for the deer and elk herds. Unfortunately I see no changes on the horizon. Without poison and traps (which I don't advocate) you will only dent the predator population even with extremely generous seasons.
I don't agree with most poisons. they indiscriminately kill non-target species. The cyanide capsules in sheep collars are effective for wolves and I support their use. Traps I support completely, they are effective and humane if checked regularly. I'm not trying to start an argument but why don't you support the use of these?
 

Kickemall

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Alabama, I should have proof read, put the "which I don't advocate" in the wrong spot. I don't advocate the use of poison because, like you said, it indiscriminately kills although in collars I can see it being fully effective. As long as traps are used responsibly I support trapping and believe it an extremely useful tool in predator management.
 

Sawfish

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I don't agree with most poisons. they indiscriminately kill non-target species. The cyanide capsules in sheep collars are effective for wolves and I support their use. Traps I support completely, they are effective and humane if checked regularly. I'm not trying to start an argument but why don't you support the use of these?
That remark appeared to be from a California hunter, and I happen to agree with him. This may be a California specific point of view, but with DFG/DFW enforcing "no lead" zones because a condor might possibly ingest lead from a bullet; prohibition on Mountain Lion hunting because some think they are "cute"; bear hunting with dogs outlawed because it is "cruel"; and current discussions to protect wolves that are not even present in the state, as of yet; it seems disingenuous to resort to poisons and traps to control predator populations that could be controlled much more efficiently by hunting, without the "by kill". More important, those methods cost money, and deprive the citizens in the hunting areas of important funds generated by the hunting community. I understand the situation is different in the less populated western states, and different methods are necessary.