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ridgetop

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Yea, I've never seen the appeal of putting horns or antlers on the wall taken by someone else.
I'm sure there's a few people out there that think it's stupid to pay for and hang a painting on their wall that they didn't paint themselves or a photograph that they didn't take but I'm sure there's not too many.
There are a lot of people out there that see a mounted animal as just a piece of art or house décor.
 

kidoggy

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I'm sure there's a few people out there that think it's stupid to pay for and hang a painting on their wall that they didn't paint themselves or a photograph that they didn't take but I'm sure there's not too many.
There are a lot of people out there that see a mounted animal as just a piece of art or house décor.
EXACTLY! JUST BECAUSE we find what others do to be foolish ,does that give us the right to pass laws saying they cannot do it?
there are many out there that think all hunting is bad or stupid. maybe we should just ban hunting across the board ,to stop poaching?
this is how silly laws get passed ,people can't get past their own bias long enough to give rational thought to what the law they are crying for really will mean.

I think I have been pretty clear why I oppose it. why do those that are for it , think it a good idea?
I know most will say to curtail poaching.
what I am looking for is, why do you think it will curtail poaching any better then the laws we have already passed against poaching?
 
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BuzzH

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kidoggy,

You would make your point much better if you drop the "granola" crap in your posts.

It gets old for one, and two non-hunters outnumber hunters by a wide margin. Your broad brush once again makes no distinction between a non-hunter and an anti-hunter. Finally most game laws are not passed by the non-hunters, but are self-imposed by the minority of a given States population that buy hunting licenses.

That said, I don't think its ridiculous to regulate the sale of antlers attached to a skull. Shed antlers are different, the animal didn't die.

The trouble with selling dead heads and trophies that were killed...how does the buyer know the animal was legally taken? The elk posted by the OP, nobody knows whether it was legally killed or poached for sure. Not many people that poach an animal with the intent of selling it are going to say, "yeah I poached this" to a potential buyer. They will drum up some story of how they found it dead or how grandpa shot it 30 years ago...etc. etc.

Poaching is a huge problem, for a variety of reasons as pointed out by NE69, and the pressure on the top animals is where its the worst. Whether its the value of the trophy in dollars, ego driven, or the potential income that can be derived from endorsements (think Darner, Rampola, etc.)...there are always going to be those that steal our wildlife for personal gain.

Knowing that to be a solid fact, I don't find it ridiculous at all, that some states would take steps to either further regulate the sale of antlers, horns, trophies, etc. or even make the practice illegal altogether. There simply is no way that a buyer knows if a trophy, dead head, etc. was legally taken or poached...no way.

What's really too bad is that the sport has become commercialized to the point that we even have to discuss these kinds of issues. On the other hand, to bury our collective heads in the sand and pretend its not a problem is not a viable solution either.

Poaching is a huge problem...way worse than most realize.
 

Gr8bawana

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Some people will argue just for the sake of arguing with no valid point to make, they just like to argue.
 

kidoggy

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kidoggy,

You would make your point much better if you drop the "granola" crap in your posts.

It gets old for one, and two non-hunters outnumber hunters by a wide margin. Your broad brush once again makes no distinction between a non-hunter and an anti-hunter. Finally most game laws are not passed by the non-hunters, but are self-imposed by the minority of a given States population that buy hunting licenses.

That said, I don't think its ridiculous to regulate the sale of antlers attached to a skull. Shed antlers are different, the animal didn't die.

The trouble with selling dead heads and trophies that were killed...how does the buyer know the animal was legally taken? The elk posted by the OP, nobody knows whether it was legally killed or poached for sure. Not many people that poach an animal with the intent of selling it are going to say, "yeah I poached this" to a potential buyer. They will drum up some story of how they found it dead or how grandpa shot it 30 years ago...etc. etc.

Poaching is a huge problem, for a variety of reasons as pointed out by NE69, and the pressure on the top animals is where its the worst. Whether its the value of the trophy in dollars, ego driven, or the potential income that can be derived from endorsements (think Darner, Rampola, etc.)...there are always going to be those that steal our wildlife for personal gain.

Knowing that to be a solid fact, I don't find it ridiculous at all, that some states would take steps to either further regulate the sale of antlers, horns, trophies, etc. or even make the practice illegal altogether. There simply is no way that a buyer knows if a trophy, dead head, etc. was legally taken or poached...no way.

What's really too bad is that the sport has become commercialized to the point that we even have to discuss these kinds of issues. On the other hand, to bury our collective heads in the sand and pretend its not a problem is not a viable solution either.

Poaching is a huge problem...way worse than most realize.
could be but a fly by any other name ,is still a fly. but out of consideration to you ,I will restrain myself to myself to referring to you as a liberal,if that is more appealing to you.
how do they no it was taken legally? how do you know anything you buy was not stolen from someone else first???I could counter with how do you know it was not taken legally?
there was a time when innocent until proven guilty was an important consideration
 
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kidoggy

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Some people will argue just for the sake of arguing with no valid point to make, they just like to argue.
true. and some have nothing they care about strongly enough to argue.

I think you are well aware of my point. you just don't agree with it.
 
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And other of us have learned that there is nothing to be gained by arguing except for showing ones ignorance in some subjects. I have learned that it is better to state your position and then leave it at that. That is unless you enjoy being drawn into something that no one will win.
 

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could be but a fly by any other name ,is still a fly. but out of consideration to you ,I will restrain myself to myself to referring to you as a liberal,if that is more appealing to you.
how do they no it was taken legally? how do you know anything you buy was not stolen from someone else first???I could counter with how do you know it was not taken legally?
there was a time when innocent until proven guilty was an important consideration
Don't refrain yourself on my account...broad shoulders, thick skin, and very secure in my advocacy for hunting, public lands, and wildlife resources. If you want to paint with that broad brush...go for it. I would never stop anyone from making a fool of themselves, they have that right under the 1st amendment to our constitution. By all means, exercise your rights.

What I do know, from dealing with issues like this for a couple few decades, is that Sportsmen are much better off being proactive in dealing with it. I would rather be the group that is driving the conversation, have the biggest seat at the table, and working on viable solutions to problems like this. I want to be in the group making the decisions on the laws that impact my wildlife, public lands, hunting, fishing, etc.

Doing nothing and being complacent, will ensure, for 100% fact, that sportsmen will NOT be the ones that are leading the discussion, making the decisions, and trying to get in front of these type of issues.

It makes a lot of sense for us to be the leaders rather than call people liberals and granolas while not doing anything positive.

Been around the block enough to know how to get results and influence positive change...your way doesn't cut it.
 

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if you are advocating for more laws you are NOT creating positive change. nor are you doing anything positive for hunters.
you ARE MERELY FORCING OTHERS ,WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU TO GO ALONG WITH YOU. I will not.I will always oppose any such law.
 

BuzzH

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Game laws have done nothing positive for hunters?

Alrighty then.

Lets just scrap all those pesky game laws and see what happens.

I don't agree with those that think snaring deer should be outlawed. I don't agree with not being able to shoot 10 mule deer bucks a year on winter range. Shooting bull elk on winter range in February and March would be so much easier, in particular if a person were to just take the head and leave the meat behind.

Those people that passed those laws making those things above illegal "ARE MERELY FORCING OTHERS ,WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU TO GO ALONG WITH YOU".

Without game laws we would not have the wildlife we all enjoy today, just a fact.

We're a nation of laws, and game laws are a classic example of exactly why we have to be.
 

kidoggy

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Game laws have done nothing positive for hunters?

Alrighty then.

Lets just scrap all those pesky game laws and see what happens.

I don't agree with those that think snaring deer should be outlawed. I don't agree with not being able to shoot 10 mule deer bucks a year on winter range. Shooting bull elk on winter range in February and March would be so much easier, in particular if a person were to just take the head and leave the meat behind.

Those people that passed those laws making those things above illegal "ARE MERELY FORCING OTHERS ,WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU TO GO ALONG WITH YOU".

Without game laws we would not have the wildlife we all enjoy today, just a fact.

We're a nation of laws, and game laws are a classic example of exactly why we have to be.
YUP . JUST LIKE A LIB . turn to what we are not even discussing.I'M SORRY IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE LABEL but it does fit. who's trying to use a broad brush now?try and keep it to the picking up and selling of bone would you. outlawing this will do NOTHING to stop poaching.

as I said before , I hope you never have a say in my state . before you say you won't let's not forget you are an admitted wolf advocate and have already tried imposing your will on us.
 
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kidoggy

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That seems like a fair price for the size of the antlers.
Looks like a 380"+ bull to me.
hard to tell from a pic but it didn't look to have the mass to me. I would have said maybe 330??? but like I said hard to say for sure.
 

kidoggy

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That seems like a fair price for the size of the antlers.
Looks like a 380"+ bull to me.
hard to tell from a pic but it didn't look to have the mass to me. I would have said maybe 330??? but like I said hard to say for sure.
if you are correct though , 850 is a steal for a 380 bull
 

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yeah, I was hoping to go and get my hands on it but never made it down there. shed season is just around the corner though, dogs are anxious to get going!!
 

kidoggy

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yeah, I was hoping to go and get my hands on it but never made it down there. shed season is just around the corner though, dogs are anxious to get going!!
have already seen one, one antler buck ,in my travels this month. still way early but some few are shedding already.he was just a dink 4x????
 

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This looks like a great place for a photo a granola and his giant archery public land elk.
 

kidoggy

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beauty of a bull. is it yours ,someone you know or just a photo you found?
let's here the story man!