111-115 versus 221,222

[Elkoholic307]

I'm specifically looking at the late season hunts for these tags. The 2012 NR stats from NDOW show that:

111 - 115 Late had 7 tags and 129 applicants so 19 to 1 draw odds and 100% success rate.

221, 222 Late had 6 tags and only 35 applicants so 6 to 1 draw odds but with a 50% success rate.

I have zero points but have read countless stories about big Nevada bulls. So, I figured I better throw my name in the hat this year and these are the units that look appealing to me. I've never been to the area so I can only look at it from my computer screen and on the pages of several different magazines. 111 - 115 looks to be the more desirable tag but is there really that big of a difference between that one and 221, 222? I checked some maps and they all look fairly close together. Is the elk population in 221 and 222 less or is the terrain just that much nastier? If someone could clue me in on the differences between these two tags I'd much appreciate it. Thanks!

 

[packmule]

Good luck.. my FIL drew that 111-115 tag last yr after a long wait. Last year there were those 2 snow storms that had the roads blocked off for several days at the first and end of the season. Plus, IIRC, 2 hunters got hurt on consecutive days at the start of season so take away 2/6. After that it doesn't take much to get it down to 50%.

 

[hardstalk]

Both great areas for bulls. Populations have never been better. Well see how the forecast decides horn growth but its not looking too good. The late season hunts see alot of movement and early migration in both units dependent on weather. Ive hunted 111-115 3+ times for elk. It can get a bit rough at times trying to pattern bulls in the late season. I would definitely apply for both. And be ready to be nomadic if you draw the tag.

 

[nitis]

Those odds only tell you the amount of people who either made that their first choice or drew the tag. I assure you the odds are much longer than they appear

But it only takes one so good luck!

 

[QuazyQuinton]

Those odds only tell you the amount of people who either made that their first choice or drew the tag. I assure you the odds are much longer than they appear

But it only takes one so good luck!

Why are these odds not correct, or how does one calculate the actual odds?

QQ

 

[nitis]

As far as I can figure and I am not a mathematician however I'm pretty good with numbers there is no possible way to calculate actual draw odds other than first choice draw odds

All applicants can choose up to five choices for any given species but not everyone chooses all five choices

And since it sounds like you are unfamiliar with the process simplest way to explain it is they draw all the applicants and place them in order when they get to your name they go through your choices until there is a tag available or you run out of choices

There is no documentation of choices 2-5 to use to make odds for individual hunts

 

[Musket Man]

You never know what will happen with the Nevada draw system. All you can do is apply every year and hope your number comes up eventually!

 

[NDHunter]

http://www.ndow.org/Hunt/Regulations_Licenses_Tags_Permits/Tags/Bonus_points/

Hopefully this will help a few peeps.

From what I've gathered, for the most part it doesn't make a whole lot of difference which unit you draw, they all have the potential for a giant. With the 10 year wait period though after you draw a tag, it dang near makes it a once in a lifetime tag.

 

[Musket Man]

I thought the 2 hunts your asking about were combined lastyear? I think any hunt can produce a big bull, but its big country and the elk are scattered in it and it could take some time to locate them if you dont know the area. Ely can be some cold country that time of year too, but I guess it wouldnt be any colder then WY.

 

[Ikeepitcold]

IMO either are good for trophy bulls but I prefer 111-115 over the southern units. With all the snow they got this year not many bulls where killed. Next year should be real good. In either unit 350" bulls should be on the average list. There is always the monsters in the 380-400" in both units. From what I've heard from guys hunting 2013 is that the southern units where hit harder with snow.

 

[nitis]

10 years wait if you draw and harvest or 5 mid you draw and don't harvest

 

[huntinsmart]

The odds are not true odds for nevada. Me and my wife drew n.r. bull tags last year she drew unit 76-081 late on her 5th choice with only 3 points. I drew 111-115 late on my 5th choice with 12 points . Due you see the problem here ,two tags on the same dates in differnt areas. she returned here tag, and I keep mine , but ended up getting hurt two weeks before the season started so I didnt get to hunt. From what I learned 111-115 is a great hunt but it will kick your butt and take names later. Just beware you can draw a tag on your 5th choice ,even if its the best hunt out there. its all in the random number you recieve, just like a game of cards .Good luck on the draws

 

[NVBird'n'Big]

That is crazy! Drawing that unit as your fifth choice seems crazy to me with how the NV system works.

 

[nitis]

That is crazy! Drawing that unit as your fifth choice seems crazy to me with how the NV system works.

Not really most tags I've drawn or have seen drawn in Nevada are on choices 3-5 and most 5

 

[NVBird'n'Big]

I only say that because of the popularity of the unit. I know they give out a lot of tags and that is why his first 4 picks were fully drawn when his name was pulled, believe me I know how the system here works. Most experienced NV applicants will put those last because they want a shot at a harder to get unit if they are lucky enough, but there are also a ton of people who see the high tag numbers and put in for those units first.

 

[Musket Man]

Anything could happen with NV's system. You could have no points and draw the hardest tag in the state to draw on your 5th choice, or have the most points in the state and not draw an easier tag on your first choice. So far I have drawn nothing in NV. Hoping this is my year!

 

[velvetfvr]

Anything could happen with NV's system. You could have no points and draw the hardest tag in the state to draw on your 5th choice, or have the most points in the state and not draw an easier tag on your first choice. So far I have drawn nothing in NV. Hoping this is my year!

Yep, a 13 year old girl in 07 drew a piw elk tag. My mom after just getting 2 bp's put in her 3rd year, drew all the Ely units for elk. Just depends.

 

[Musket Man]

Im starting to wonder if NV even enters me in the draw or just takes my money and sends me a license I wont use and tells me I was unsuccessful. lol

 

[velvetfvr]

Im starting to wonder if NV even enters me in the draw or just takes my money and sends me a license I wont use and tells me I was unsuccessful. lol

Lol, it took my grandpa from the 1st year you could hunt Nv elk to 2007 until he drew his bull tag. We later found out, somehow half of his apps ndow said something was wrong with, and never entered him!!!!!!

Back in the paper app days. No wonder it took him forever to draw!

 

[Musket Man]

They could atleast tell you the first time it happened so didnt keep making same mistake. I apply online so they cant blame it on messing up my paper app. lol