Sell Your Soul For A Buck...
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That's no different than an outfitter or guide who has sub-guides baby sit big bucks or bulls all summer long until their paying client gets there. I have seen some of them put their camp on a main road into a canyon or drainage to try to keep others from hunting "their" spot even though it is all public land. That is something that should be addressed as well.
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I personally feel that the law would be very difficult to enforce. I would argue the coordinates were to a waterhole or a rock or tree, not any specific animal. But, oh by the way...I happened to see a really nice buck in the area!
I also personally believe that this is what's wrong with modern day hunting.
I also personally believe that this is what's wrong with modern day hunting.
I've never even heard of such a thing but I'm very sure it happens. Is there a real difference in paying a guide to take you to a animal?
I like the idea of the bill, but guides and outfitters should be treated the same as the general public. The game animals are governed by the state agencies, generally along with federal agencies. Outfitters and guides don't get to be exempt from laws while the general public are held to a different standard.
mntnguide
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The point here is...Outfitters and guides..no matter what you think of them as a DIY hunter..are licensed by the state, pay taxes, have permits from federal government to operate etc...whereas the person this law is aimed at is making money off animals, not paying taxes to the state, not licensed etc. . There is another forum whos owner is the big reason this law has come about. If you go there and read the long debated topics about his practice, I have zero respect for his lack of ethics and morals regarding hunting. He is strictly out for himself and doesnt give a damn about the game he is selling. Outfitters do respect the game, because it is how they make a living. And no matter how much many of you dont care for them, Outfitters are the #1 force fighting for Non-resident tags and quotas in their states, because it is who they make their living off!
ColoradoV
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If you have ever gone through the process of getting a guiding permit there is a lot of t's to cross and i's to dot.. Including GL or general liability insurance. More work than most are willing to go though. Some folks need a guide and the state keeps the numbers of guides in a area reasonable so that there is a balance of guided and non guided. All ok in my eyes.
Now scouting packages are becoming all the rage. One of the most prominent ones here in colorado is owned and run by a convicted poacher and felon. Yep cant hunt got those privileges taken away by poaching a trophy buck so he sells scouting packages.. Colorado needs a law just like the one the boys up in Wyo are pushing to get passed. Will it solve all the problems nope but it will solve 80+% of them.
As mntnguide said this law is at least in part due to a very arrogant owner of another social media site. I was a part of that site for many years but have since move on from the jerry springer of social media hunting sites. I also have talked with the owner and his attitude of give the middle finger to locals, other hunters, the deer, and state regulatory folks for his own gain. Trust me he does not give a shit about you, the state or the deer he is in it for $$$$ and promoting himself only. His blatant disrespect and bragging that there is nothing Wyoming can do to stop me advertising/selling these bucks to make $$$ only for himself has brought this all about. Meanwhile not willing to do this in his home state or back yard. Yea there are all types and this guy is a peach.
Something he has not though of is the extreme liability exposure he has.. Or he is no doubt negligent in sending people into a extreme back county environment with no vetting process of any kind other than hey I got $1000 and dont want to work for a good buck tell me where one is.. Same type of folks seem to get into trouble on the mountain.. A good lawyer/unfortunate client will own everything he has if one of his "clients" goes up where he told him to go and gets hurt/killed. A angry spouse with a dead husband will have a hay day and easily winnable litigation when this situation arises.
Good law and good to the folks in Wyo who are pushing it I hope Colorado and other states follow suit.
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Now scouting packages are becoming all the rage. One of the most prominent ones here in colorado is owned and run by a convicted poacher and felon. Yep cant hunt got those privileges taken away by poaching a trophy buck so he sells scouting packages.. Colorado needs a law just like the one the boys up in Wyo are pushing to get passed. Will it solve all the problems nope but it will solve 80+% of them.
As mntnguide said this law is at least in part due to a very arrogant owner of another social media site. I was a part of that site for many years but have since move on from the jerry springer of social media hunting sites. I also have talked with the owner and his attitude of give the middle finger to locals, other hunters, the deer, and state regulatory folks for his own gain. Trust me he does not give a shit about you, the state or the deer he is in it for $$$$ and promoting himself only. His blatant disrespect and bragging that there is nothing Wyoming can do to stop me advertising/selling these bucks to make $$$ only for himself has brought this all about. Meanwhile not willing to do this in his home state or back yard. Yea there are all types and this guy is a peach.
Something he has not though of is the extreme liability exposure he has.. Or he is no doubt negligent in sending people into a extreme back county environment with no vetting process of any kind other than hey I got $1000 and dont want to work for a good buck tell me where one is.. Same type of folks seem to get into trouble on the mountain.. A good lawyer/unfortunate client will own everything he has if one of his "clients" goes up where he told him to go and gets hurt/killed. A angry spouse with a dead husband will have a hay day and easily winnable litigation when this situation arises.
Good law and good to the folks in Wyo who are pushing it I hope Colorado and other states follow suit.
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Horsenhike
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Still refuses to address why he isn't doing this in Utah?
Still refuses to disclose how much he has made doing this?
Not addressing how much he declared on his taxes from this?
Watching the conversation over there. Interesting to say the least.
Guy doesn't seem to have much respect for rules and laws that inconvenience him.
Still refuses to disclose how much he has made doing this?
Not addressing how much he declared on his taxes from this?
Watching the conversation over there. Interesting to say the least.
Guy doesn't seem to have much respect for rules and laws that inconvenience him.
A lot of people have left that forum for ethics based reasons.
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mallardsx2
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ithunter
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Never would have thought about an outfitter or pre-season scouter selling the GPS location of an animal...the same way I wouldn't have thought an outfitter would drive animals to another drainage or out of NF lands on to private for their clients...maybe the bill doesn't go far enough.
tim
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Horsenhike
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This bill wasn't written to protect ethics or the animals, it was written to protect the Outfitters Association, the same guys that have the NR Wilderness Rule. Frankly, I'd like to see the selling of information go away as well as the Wilderness Area rule.
Do we really want states limiting hunter's from Federal land because of the name on their license plate? Remember, we're all non - residents in every state but one and that's a helluva slippery slope.
Who would be okay with a state declaring
non- residents can't hunt in National Forests? Of course that would be ludicrous. But if it was really a safety issue we were talking about then we better ban non-resident backpackers, fishermen, and hikers too since only Wyoming residents are competent in the mountains.
Sorry to get off subject, I just see these as related Outfitter laws and not game laws (notice who chairs the committee that passed the scouting law).
Do we really want states limiting hunter's from Federal land because of the name on their license plate? Remember, we're all non - residents in every state but one and that's a helluva slippery slope.
Who would be okay with a state declaring
non- residents can't hunt in National Forests? Of course that would be ludicrous. But if it was really a safety issue we were talking about then we better ban non-resident backpackers, fishermen, and hikers too since only Wyoming residents are competent in the mountains.
Sorry to get off subject, I just see these as related Outfitter laws and not game laws (notice who chairs the committee that passed the scouting law).
tim
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thank you, I figure if this forum is going to gossip about someone, we should at least know, who the gossip is about.
tim
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thanks for the clarification scott. I just don't read blogs by anyone, so that is why I did not know who you where talking about.