350"+ elk odds

Joe Schmo

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Seeing as how this is a forum for western states and hunters from all over the country are mainly looking to cash in points and travel to that one trophy unit in that one state that will provide that hunter his/her one best chance at a trophy bull in that state...it is largely a pipe dream. But again...gotta have a goal. In my opinion there's no way that a guy with two or three raghorn bulls under his belt is gonna be able to pass on a 330 to get to a 350. Also, The amount of effort it takes to find big bulls, even in trophy units is absurd. What we're all really hoping for is that we can scrape together enough research and get enough help that we are in a position to get extremely lucky and bag a 350" bull...we also need to get extremely lucky and hope that the first "big bull" we see isn't a 340 :)
 

Tim McCoy

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320, 330, 340, 350, or more, they are all big. If you think about it, it is theoretically possible for a 330 and a 350 to have the same amount of antler, one with just 20" more air between the goal posts. A guy can mess up badly worrying too much about score and let some whoppers walk, IMO. Some critters just don't allow you much time for math.
 

kidoggy

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Seeing as how this is a forum for western states and hunters from all over the country are mainly looking to cash in points and travel to that one trophy unit in that one state that will provide that hunter his/her one best chance at a trophy bull in that state...it is largely a pipe dream. But again...gotta have a goal. In my opinion there's no way that a guy with two or three raghorn bulls under his belt is gonna be able to pass on a 330 to get to a 350. Also, The amount of effort it takes to find big bulls, even in trophy units is absurd. What we're all really hoping for is that we can scrape together enough research and get enough help that we are in a position to get extremely lucky and bag a 350" bull...we also need to get extremely lucky and hope that the first "big bull" we see isn't a 340 :)
sure they could. AND IT AIN'T JUST MY OPINION. I once did it after having only shot a small 5x5 and a couple cows.
wether or not I would depends entirely on the unit I have drawn and wether or not I THINK THERE IS A CHANCE I MIGHT DO BETTER. in the end, IT IS THE HUNT I love, not so much the kill.not to imply that I don't love killing em also, it just isn't that important to me for a memorable experiance.
on that particular hunt, I ended up going home with tag soup and I never regretted it for a second.
it is among my favorite all time hunts and could I do it all over again, I would!
the kill alone,does not a great hunt make.
 

BuzzH

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Its fine to have hunting goals, so long as those goals don't turn hunting into something that isn't fun anymore.

I just killed my 65th elk this past Saturday. Of those, 29 were bulls...out of those, 9 have been six points.

While I have never claimed to be much of an elk hunter, I have hunted them every year since 1980 and have only lived in Wyoming and Montana. What I've found is that finding a bull over 330 isn't easy. Getting them killed once you find them is a whole other story. I've shot 2 that gross over 350 out of 65 elk.

Here's a bull that doesn't score 350 that I shot a few years back. I can tell you one thing, I shoot this bull, all day long on about any tag, and I could give a crap about score. The mass on the deformed antler is crazy, and this was a nice old mature bull.



Got mass?

 
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Gr8bawana

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Its fine to have hunting goals, so long as those goals don't turn hunting into something that isn't fun anymore.
If hunting wasn't fun anymore I would just stop. To go out there worrying about how much an animal will score would take all the fun out of it. What happens when the OP shoots a bull that "only" scores 345? Massive disappointment in a wasted hunt?
I say just go out there and have fun, if you happen to shoot a "book" bull then congrats to you.
 

OldGuy

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I have shot a 349 7/8" bull. So whats left to do but go hunting .... again and again!

Its about the hunt., the time spent in pursuit of Mr. bull.

Jim
 
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mcseal2

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Not to be harsh on the OP, but I look at how an animal gets to a gross score as much as the score itself.

My best bull gross scores 338". He is 50" wide and heavy but with shorter tines. He looks cool as hell to me and I wouldn't trade him for the world. He has a front tine that drops low that caused us to name him Snuffleupagus. He has character and is a trophy to me. Another guy shot a 347 bull that hunt that he was a little disappointed in because he was holding out for a 350" bull. I know he passed a 307" bull and several others waiting for a 350" bull and he came darn close to his goal. My buddy shot the 307" the next day so I know the score. I celebrated my bull much more than he did his, he failed in his mind because he shot one 3" shy of the number he had in his head. He was young, in excellent shape, and dedicated. I appreciate his effort on one hand, but wish he could have taken more pride in what he accomplished on the other. That hunt was a failure to him because he didn't hit his goal. He took a great mature bull that almost any hunter would be proud of but not the one that made him happy.

Animals need to be judged on what they are, not on a number. I've been as guilty as anyone in previous years about what an animal measures deciding what it meant to me. I had a whitetail help me change my mind. It was 2012 the first time I had a chance at him, a 20" plus wide 3x3 that probably scored over 140". I had one more shot in later years but he was broke up. I passed him because it was opening day that first year and I was hunting a giant 10pt, but I always regretted it a little. That year I took a great buck but not the 10pt I passed the 6 for. I had that 6pt deer on my radar for 4 years but never truly appreciated him until he disappeared. There are more giant 10pt bucks in the world than there are 6pts like him, I missed out on something special by waiting.

I shot a whitetail that was on his way down last year, an old buck, that has short main beams and tines. His shed the year before I shot him has a 25" main beam and long tines, a 4pt whitetail shed measured 73". The next year he had a 21" main beam, short fat tines, and still looks more impressive. He had 47" of mass. Score isn't everything, cool factors in too.

I guess what I'm getting at in my rambling is not to overlook game that just has the right mix of everything to be special. Some of the best scoring critters one will ever see are just really good everywhere but not great anywhere. That said if something looks mature and is special in even one area that you like, don't get to hung up on inches and deductions. When you see the one you want 90% of the time you know it right off. Don't second guess your gut unless it's a very special tag.
 
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Slugz

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I'll throw my hat in here now. My thoughts and only my opinion.
1) Any state holds a few big ones.
2) The $ gets you summer scouting and a highly detailed local network for real time communication of whats being seen and where, the last 10 days prior to your hunt. That's usually worth the cash.
3) This sounds like truly a horn only hunt and that's all that matters. I'd be looking for something other than NF land for that if its a one time thing.
 

highplainsdrifter

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You need to do some soul searching. What is so special about a 350" bull? It's a GIANT bull for sure...so is a 330" bull. Here's the soul searching part. Would you be more proud of a 350" bull that you were guided on or a 325" bull that you apprehended all by yourself?
I would rather shoot a smaller bull DIY than a big bull with a guide. My wife shot this 330 bull DIY last October. Would have scored higher if he was wider. She is very proud of it.

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lostriverproductions

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Not to be harsh on the OP, but I look at how an animal gets to a gross score as much as the score itself.

My best bull gross scores 338". He is 50" wide and heavy but with shorter tines. He looks cool as hell to me and I wouldn't trade him for the world. He has a front tine that drops low that caused us to name him Snuffleupagus. He has character and is a trophy to me. Another guy shot a 347 bull that hunt that he was a little disappointed in because he was holding out for a 350" bull. I know he passed a 307" bull and several others waiting for a 350" bull and he came darn close to his goal. My buddy shot the 307" the next day so I know the score. I celebrated my bull much more than he did his, he failed in his mind because he shot one 3" shy of the number he had in his head. He was young, in excellent shape, and dedicated. I appreciate his effort on one hand, but wish he could have taken more pride in what he accomplished on the other. That hunt was a failure to him because he didn't hit his goal. He took a great mature bull that almost any hunter would be proud of but not the one that made him happy.

Animals need to be judged on what they are, not on a number. I've been as guilty as anyone in previous years about what an animal measures deciding what it meant to me. I had a whitetail help me change my mind. It was 2012 the first time I had a chance at him, a 20" plus wide 3x3 that probably scored over 140". I had one more shot in later years but he was broke up. I passed him because it was opening day that first year and I was hunting a giant 10pt, but I always regretted it a little. That year I took a great buck but not the 10pt I passed the 6 for. I had that 6pt deer on my radar for 4 years but never truly appreciated him until he disappeared. There are more giant 10pt bucks in the world than there are 6pts like him, I missed out on something special by waiting.

I shot a whitetail that was on his way down last year, an old buck, that has short main beams and tines. His shed the year before I shot him has a 25" main beam and long tines, a 4pt whitetail shed measured 73". The next year he had a 21" main beam, short fat tines, and still looks more impressive. He had 47" of mass. Score isn't everything, cool factors in too.

I guess what I'm getting at in my rambling is not to overlook game that just has the right mix of everything to be special. Some of the best scoring critters one will ever see are just really good everywhere but not great anywhere. That said if something looks mature and is special in even one area that you like, don't get to hung up on inches and deductions. When you see the one you want 90% of the time you know it right off. Don't second guess your gut unless it's a very special tag.
I appreciate your insite. I too have been where your buddy that shot the 307" bull. I shot a smaller then normal whitetail for me. But he was a mature 6 year old, scored 121. I was mad at my self because in Indiana you can only shoot one buck a year and I shot a smaller one then what I knew was around. So I did some thinking that winter. To me hunting wasn't as fun as I remembered. Don't get me wrong, still loved to hunt, and whitetails were my world. But I got caught up in the outdoor industry side of things. Me being prostaff and on several shows, it was all about inches. Another thing that year that was an eye opener for me. Me and my 5 year old at the time were driving down the road and came up behind a truck that had a typ michigan 1.5 year old buck in the back. My son kind of laughed and said why would anyone shoot a buck that small? now all my son has seen his daddy shoot are big bucks. my biggest 5 archery bucks have a 172.5" average. I explained to him that daddy was very fortunate to have the land that he hunts that has bigger deer then some other areas. I also told him the rack doesn't matter, its what makes the hunter happy. From that day forward I switched from hunting inches to mature deer. Started having a blast again.

This last fall I didn't even buy a IN deer license. I wanted to focus a 100% on my son getting his first buck (second year of hunting). He missed a small buck opening morning and the following week he shot his first buck a 4 point. One of the greatest days in my life. The smile on his face after watching the buck fall. Priceless.

Now to end my rambling, if I shoot an elk I will be more then happy with it. Even if it doesn't hit that 350" mark. From that day 6 years ago, I don't consider anything I kill a failure. Just thinking how spread can change elk score so quickly. A normal whitetail is 16-20" wide, you shoot a wide one (24") you only adding4-8" over the average spread. My 300" elk only has a 30" spread. He could be 20" with a bigger spread.
 

fackelberry

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The biggest thing on elk and deer to give you better score is tine length, not so much as spread. You know to makeup for that 20" of inside spread all your bull would have to have is 2" more tine length on each of his 5 points and if his main beams were 2" longer also than you would surpass that 20" your looking for. I have always been in favor of long tines on deer and elk, even if they are narrow. Most will outscore a really wide buck or bull that has short tines. Doesn't take much extra tine length to make up for that spread. I will give you a perfect example. I shot a 6x7 mule deer in Colorado last year, he was tall, heavy, and had long tines. His inside spread is 15.5 inches wide, less than "your" typical whitetail spread. I had him officially measured and he gross scores 190&4/8ths. Most people would of never shot it because it wasnt wide at all. I also have taken a 5x4 mule deer in 2008 that is 30.5" wide main frame, not off and kickers, inside spread is 24.5" He is tall, decent tine length and WIDE, he gross scores 173" I have them both mounted and hanging side by side on my wall, everyone that comes in and sees them always look at the super wide one and think he scores more. But those tines and length of them on the "little" buck almost outscores the wide one by 20". I guess all i am saying is i will shoot a narrow long tined buck or bull over a short tined massive wide one everytime. So i dont care if a bull is 30" wide 40" wide or 50" wide give me long tines, they will make up for any lack in spread.
 

Zim

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I took a Nevada archery bull in 2007 that measured 350 3/8 by P&Y. Gotta believe he shrunk below the magic number by now?
 

Hilltop

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I have guided Wyoming, Colorado and New Mexico- 350" bulls are rare but attainable if a guy does his homework and is patient. I have harvested one- 352". The biggest two hurdles are drawing a tag in a place where 350+ bulls exist and 2nd being able to judge bulls once there hunting. Here is a fun way to practice; https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwif9Z3HzNPSAhUG8IMKHTJqCtgQFgggMAE&url=http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7260859CCE2FB904&usg=AFQjCNFEmHryoy_SxfJHPictl-XKXXe5QA&bvm=bv.149397726,d.amc. Good luck in your search. As a side note- I have guided exactly zero hunters who were willing to pass up a 330" bull out of 30+ hunters.
 

Fink

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Mntnguide, that is an awesome picture.. Pretty sure I'm not passing on any of those bulls. Maybe the one tucked away in the back, maybe... I'm guessing none break 350?