So I'm a relative newcomer to some of this stuff, but curious about how this works. I know Nevada only offers mountain goat tags to residents at this point, but what would it take for them to start offering even one tag for non-residents? Obviously residents are happy to keep them all for themselves, but somebody has to be aware of the potential revenue stream from non-resident applications. Of course the odds would be one in several thousand....
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Non-resident mountain goat
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As of 2013 NDOW estimates there is a population of about 350 mtn goats in NV. between the Ruby Mtns. and the East Humbolt Range in Elko County.
This year there were 13 tags available to residents. There have never been many goats here in NV, 2006-2008 saw the most tags with 29. There have been a couple of disease related die-offs since then so tag numbers have dropped with the population decrease.
As someone who has 11 bonus points for mtn goats I would be very upset if NDOW decided to give non-resisents a chance at even 1 mtn goat tag regardless of how much they had to pay for the tag. There are people with 23 bonus points for mtn goats and I suspect they would be even more upset that me if they gave out even 1 non-res tag.
This year there were 13 tags available to residents. There have never been many goats here in NV, 2006-2008 saw the most tags with 29. There have been a couple of disease related die-offs since then so tag numbers have dropped with the population decrease.
As someone who has 11 bonus points for mtn goats I would be very upset if NDOW decided to give non-resisents a chance at even 1 mtn goat tag regardless of how much they had to pay for the tag. There are people with 23 bonus points for mtn goats and I suspect they would be even more upset that me if they gave out even 1 non-res tag.
JimP
Administrator
That is one problem that a non resident has when he is trying to draw a tag for a animal that there just isn't that many of.
If you really want to draw a tag for a mountain goat then I suggest that you try a state that has quite few of them and actually offers the non resident a real chance at drawing a tag such as Colorado, or Utah. Or even better save up your money and hire a outfitter in British Colombia and go shoot one.
If you really want to draw a tag for a mountain goat then I suggest that you try a state that has quite few of them and actually offers the non resident a real chance at drawing a tag such as Colorado, or Utah. Or even better save up your money and hire a outfitter in British Colombia and go shoot one.
Horsenhike
Very Active Member
As a resident of a state that will give out 25 goat tags in 2017 and make as many as 4 available to non-residents, I find your attitude kind of amusing. Perhaps we'll just keep ours for ourselves....
CoHiCntry
Veteran member
In my opinion if any western state won't give a non-resident a chance to draw a tag for a certain species then any resident of that state should not be allowed to apply for that tag in another state. In other words since Nevada won't give any non-resident tags out for mountain goat then residents from Nevada shouldn't be able to apply for mountain goats in other western states. This should apply for all states... not picking on Nevada. Of course this will never happen!
Alabama
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They used to offer 1 tag to NR (I believe 2011 was the last year). IIRC those NR who applied still have their BP until the population builds up enough to offer 1 again. There were 2511 apps for 1 tag. Waste of money if you ask me.
My $.02
My $.02
bghunter
Active Member
Isn't sound like descrimination here? Residency descrimination or whatever it is, but I always feel that when Im applying or buying license or tag in another state, fees are much higher and those non-resident tags limits in some states just ridiculous, arent we citizens of the same country?
JimP
Administrator
From what I have been seeing that is going on in California lately I'd have to almost say no.
But the game animals are regulated by the state and not the Feds, so the state can do whatever they want to do with the tags. The problem with goats in Nevada is that they are not a native animal and the range that they live in is very limited and I doubt that they will ever offer a non resident goat permit. Even in Utah where they are not native either but they have a lot of areas that the goats can make home and the population is large enough that they offer non resident tags.
Musket Man
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What about all the nonresidents that are sitting on a pile of points and now have no chance to use them. Are the residents of Nevada that dont want to give us a chance at even 1 tag going to refund our money?
JimP
Administrator
I actually think that if a non resident hunter didn't do his or her homework and saw that there were only 1 or 2 tags for them then I would thank them for their contribution to the fish and game fund for that state.
hoshour
Veteran member
Most of the time, the nonresident allocation cap has been set by the legislature. They hear from their resident constituents but not from nonresidents.
The main voice for nonresident tags is likely to be the Game and Fish because they get a whole lot more money from them but that is not usually who is setting the cap.
This is why auction and lottery tags are getting to be a bigger part of the allocation (Utah has gone nuts on auction tags). They bring in the money the Game and Fish wants, though usually it goes to habitat improvement, not so much the Dept.'s revenue except in Wyoming. Lottery and auction tags also give nonresidents a chance, though in the case of auction tags it is only the rich.
The main voice for nonresident tags is likely to be the Game and Fish because they get a whole lot more money from them but that is not usually who is setting the cap.
This is why auction and lottery tags are getting to be a bigger part of the allocation (Utah has gone nuts on auction tags). They bring in the money the Game and Fish wants, though usually it goes to habitat improvement, not so much the Dept.'s revenue except in Wyoming. Lottery and auction tags also give nonresidents a chance, though in the case of auction tags it is only the rich.
Need to look at some history for a long time your state didn't offer mt. goat tags to nonres either. At least Nevada sets aside tags for the non res not just a % of tags available. As was said Nevada offered tags to both res and non-res at one point but had a die off and even didn't offer tags to res one year.
Oregon's goat hunts are relatively new, even for residents. First year seems like 3-4 tags were offered, or some very small number only to residents. Just over 20 tags this year with 2 planned to be available for N/Rs, the N/R allocation for goats is very new. Not defending OR's N/R allocation at all, but the population just got big enough they opened up a few tags for N/R's, and residents have not been hunting them for very long either.
hoshour
Veteran member
Sorry, just now saw your request. I wrote a 7-page article for EBJ about a year ago that had a great deal of info on auction and raffle tags. It should answer your question, but just briefly, states vary in how proceeds are used and who has the say on specific projects, also on how the revenue is split with the conservation nonprofit that conducted the sales. Habitat improvement is the most common use.
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If I remember Or started Mt goat hunts in the late 90s or 2000 , last year only 13 tags total in Nevada for mt goats so it would be 1 non res tag based on the Or breakdown. The same population restrictions Or has ( low numbers ) Nevada is facing to to a big die off. It will come back just takes time as it only happened 4 or 5 years ago.
Sounds about right. It is interesting in that the OR NR allocation for sheep and goats is no less than 5% or more than 10% of total tags, or pretty close to that wording. That is higher than antelope max of 3% and deer/elk max of 5%, neither of which have a minumum iirc. Can't have anything to do with sheep and goat tags being 1.4k+ or to intice NR's to buy a non-refundable $160 ish license.
Thank you.
I didn't read the article, but I hope you had it right with Wyoming. The commission tags, the only revenue the GF gets is the NR fee associated with either deer, elk or pronghorn. The profits (100%) from the auction or sale of the commission tags stays with the seller. The Governors tags are a bit different, the only fees that the GF is guaranteed to get is the NR fee associated with moose, deer, elk, sheep, or bison. The tag fee is NOT paid by the purchaser, but rather paid for via an appropriation from the Legislature. WWTF keeps 10% off the top from the sale price, the seller keeps 20% and the remaining 10% is put into an "all wildlife account" the remaining 60% is reserved for the species specific account. The one exception is bison, where 30% is given back to the seller, 10% to WWTF, and the remaining 60% goes into the all wildlife account.
Then proposals are submitted for projects from a lot of different NGO's, State, Federal Agencies, Universities, and private individuals. The proposals are looked at by a species specific committee (moose, bison, deer, elk, sheep, and all wildlife) and are either funded or not on the merits of the proposal.
I just wasn't sure if your first reply was implying that all the money from the sale of Commission and Governors tags goes directly to the Wyoming G&F...because most of it does not.
That said, the Governors tags absolutely do fund some very worth-while wildlife, habitat, habitat improvement projects, wildlife related studies, collaring, etc.