Meeting in Laramie

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Wyoming chapter of Backcountry Hunters and Anglers is inviting you
Wednesday, February 25 at 6:00 p.m.
Roxie’s at 221 Grand Ave.
Laramie, Wyoming

Come and join us for a gathering and discussion on issues facing our hunting and fishing heritage and future. We’ll have Lee Knox for Wyoming G&F will be there discussing our mule deer decline; Frank E. Romero with the USFS will present ways to manage our forests, trails, and off-road areas. How has the legislature affected us? What were the positives and areas of concern? We’ll provide snacks, a raffle, and ask for your ideas on how to help improve game management and hunting opportunities.
 
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Sslinger about once every two months, but we move them around so it maybe it little while before were right back in Laramie. Something like this with biologists from G&F and multiple personnel from the USFS doesn't happen real often maybe once a year. I'll get some notes out kind if covering the meeting, but Lee Knox the mule deer biologist had the floor for about 30 minutes and had some real good in site on what's happening with the mule deer. I'll get some of that posted when I get a little time.
 

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Follow up from the meeting last night.

We all heard from Frank Romero, USFS District Ranger for the Laramie Ranger District. Frank talked about the importance of collaborative work with local groups like BHA. He also expressed concerns over the resources vial illegal user created trails and how our work on Pole Mountain was having a very positive impact. He also stressed that as these areas close, he has instructed his LEO's to strictly enforce the closers. Frank also said that when groups like BHA step up with financial help for things like the signs we are paying for, that it almost always attracts matching funds from other Sportsmen's organizations. He then pointed out again, that he really values the partnership with local groups like BHA.

Next up was Alex, the USFS biologist. He believes that the signing is the first step in the education process of how important winter range as well as fawning/calving area closures are to wildlife. He is really thankful as well for the money that BHA is kicking in to get the ball rolling on the Pole Mountain area as well as the Snowy Range proper. He said he is thinking of many more projects that he needs volunteers for and is really looking forward to the continued partnership with BHA.

Next up was Lee Knox with the Wyoming Game and Fish Department. He talked about the Sheep Mountain Mule deer herd and how its doing and where its going. The current population is estimated at 5600 mule deer with an "objective" number of 15,000 deer. Currently hunter success on the Sheep Mountain herd is about 23%, but this area has always had low hunter success even in the 50's and 60's during the "good old days" of mule deer. Harvest success in the 50's and 60's was around 30-40%, much lower than many surrounding areas. The reason for low harvest success has a lot to do with the country, thick trees, and hard to hunt compared to more open areas. Fawn recruitment was discussed in length. First of all, Lee stated that 66 fawns per 100 does is considered the minimum number for herd growth. The past 4 years have been lower than that with the exception of this last fawn crop. There were 80 fawns per 100 does observed in the Decembers flight survey. Of further note is that the fawns were way larger in stature than the last 4 fawn crops. Lee made note that buck fawns, were about the same size as the yearling does from last year. So, there is guarded improvement in the herd coming, and if we can get favorable weather again this spring and fall...and for many falls and springs to come, we may see a nice rebound and improvement in this herd. Lee is very knowledgeable about mule deer. Lee also added that the season dates have changed, right now it's a Oct.1-11 and not all to long ago the season use to be Oct 15- Nov 15 making it easier to find those bucks during the rut. One contributing factor also that was mentioned was in that 50's through 70's era there was a substantial amount of logging in that area that allowed more ground forage to grow and sustain a larger population of deer.

Finally, we had a Legislative update on what happened/is happening in Cheyenne. We discussed the WYSA reception, the transfer of public lands bills, and many others that would have impacted hunters and anglers in Wyoming. Several of the really bad bills were killed after much effort, some were not. There was also some good legislation like Senator Hicks' round up for wildlife bill that is likely going to pass. BHA is still taking the lead on the banning of aircraft for scouting/hunting and just last week Jeff Muratore and Buzz Hettick talked with Brian Nesvik to make sure everything was progressing. We are on track to tighten flight rules, including drones, within a few months time.

In general, Wyoming BHA is having great success in Wyoming and that only happens through the efforts of the membership. Many of our members are actively engaged on a host of important issues. For a chapter that is only a couple years old, we are making our presence known and doing positive work for sportsmen/women, wildlife, and wildlife habitat all across Wyoming.
 

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Follow up from the meeting last night.

We all heard from Frank Romero, USFS District Ranger for the Laramie Ranger District. Frank talked about the importance of collaborative work with local groups like BHA. He also expressed concerns over the resources vial illegal user created trails and how our work on Pole Mountain was having a very positive impact. He also stressed that as these areas close, he has instructed his LEO's to strictly enforce the closers. Frank also said that when groups like BHA step up with financial help for things like the signs we are paying for, that it almost always attracts matching funds from other Sportsmen's organizations. He then pointed out again, that he really values the partnership with local groups like BHA.

Next up was Alex, the USFS biologist. He believes that the signing is the first step in the education process of how important winter range as well as fawning/calving area closures are to wildlife. He is really thankful as well for the money that BHA is kicking in to get the ball rolling on the Pole Mountain area as well as the Snowy Range proper. He said he is thinking of many more projects that he needs volunteers for and is really looking forward to the continued partnership with BHA.

Next up was Lee Knox with the Wyoming Game and Fish Department. He talked about the Sheep Mountain Mule deer herd and how its doing and where its going. The current population is estimated at 5600 mule deer with an "objective" number of 15,000 deer. Currently hunter success on the Sheep Mountain herd is about 23%, but this area has always had low hunter success even in the 50's and 60's during the "good old days" of mule deer. Harvest success in the 50's and 60's was around 30-40%, much lower than many surrounding areas. The reason for low harvest success has a lot to do with the country, thick trees, and hard to hunt compared to more open areas. Fawn recruitment was discussed in length. First of all, Lee stated that 66 fawns per 100 does is considered the minimum number for herd growth. The past 4 years have been lower than that with the exception of this last fawn crop. There were 80 fawns per 100 does observed in the Decembers flight survey. Of further note is that the fawns were way larger in stature than the last 4 fawn crops. Lee made note that buck fawns, were about the same size as the yearling does from last year. So, there is guarded improvement in the herd coming, and if we can get favorable weather again this spring and fall...and for many falls and springs to come, we may see a nice rebound and improvement in this herd. Lee is very knowledgeable about mule deer. Lee also added that the season dates have changed, right now it's a Oct.1-11 and not all to long ago the season use to be Oct 15- Nov 15 making it easier to find those bucks during the rut. One contributing factor also that was mentioned was in that 50's through 70's era there was a substantial amount of logging in that area that allowed more ground forage to grow and sustain a larger population of deer.

Finally, we had a Legislative update on what happened/is happening in Cheyenne. We discussed the WYSA reception, the transfer of public lands bills, and many others that would have impacted hunters and anglers in Wyoming. Several of the really bad bills were killed after much effort, some were not. There was also some good legislation like Senator Hicks' round up for wildlife bill that is likely going to pass. BHA is still taking the lead on the banning of aircraft for scouting/hunting and just last week Jeff Muratore and Buzz Hettick talked with Brian Nesvik to make sure everything was progressing. We are on track to tighten flight rules, including drones, within a few months time.

In general, Wyoming BHA is having great success in Wyoming and that only happens through the efforts of the membership. Many of our members are actively engaged on a host of important issues. For a chapter that is only a couple years old, we are making our presence known and doing positive work for sportsmen/women, wildlife, and wildlife habitat all across Wyoming.
Thanks for the update . . . 15,000 deer seems like a lofty objective for the sheep mountain herd. Doesn't seem possible to carry that many deer, especially in a severe winter.
 

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Thanks for the update . . . 15,000 deer seems like a lofty objective for the sheep mountain herd. Doesn't seem possible to carry that many deer, especially in a severe winter.
I think they believe it's possible with all the agricultural land in the centennial valley, and along the Laramie River. But the problem is as you see it in other parts of the state. You can have a larger herd but if 90% of the deer are living year round on private. That doesn't help the average Joe. I used to hunt with my father-inlaw up by Burlington WY and you would see literally hundreds of deer hanging out in fields all day that didn't allow hunting. The last 2 years elk hunting in the Snowy's, I've seen 6 deer.


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I think they believe it's possible with all the agricultural land in the centennial valley, and along the Laramie River. But the problem is as you see it in other parts of the state. You can have a larger herd but if 90% of the deer are living year round on private. That doesn't help the average Joe. I used to hunt with my father-inlaw up by Burlington WY and you would see literally hundreds of deer hanging out in fields all day that didn't allow hunting. The last 2 years elk hunting in the Snowy's, I've seen 6 deer.


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There is a lot of private habitat there. In fact, most of the prime deer habitat is private. I sincerely hope that the deer herd does grow. Lots of factors keeping numbers down.

Godeep, I've put a call into the game and fish about more wildlife crossing signs. The person I talked to said they'd talk to the Highway department. Haven't heard anything. Do you know a better way to get this done?
 

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There is a lot of private habitat there. In fact, most of the prime deer habitat is private. I sincerely hope that the deer herd does grow. Lots of factors keeping numbers down.

Godeep, I've put a call into the game and fish about more wildlife crossing signs. The person I talked to said they'd talk to the Highway department. Haven't heard anything. Do you know a better way to get this done?
I'll start out by saying that there where a lot of small side subjects that were talked about that there isn't a write-up in the notes about and this actually was one of them. Lee Know is working with the Highway departments biologist to come up with some areas to install signs and high fences along the road ways. If you know of a few areas contacting the highway department and getting others to do the same is a good start. Phone calls are good, but if you and others can take the time to sit down and write letters and emails they go a lot farther than just a simple phone call, if you know of an county highway meetings I would defiantly go and bring these areas up and make sure you have a few others along so it's just not the one voice in the crowd. Lee Knox did say one of the big cures for the public land herd would be a few over pass crossing like you see up around the Jackson area. That being said your looking at around $10 million per one, but it actually would allow the deer to migrate farther north and east to where the deer really want to winter. We do have a member that is very diverse and knowledgeable in the legal and political area and is going to look into the Land and Water Conservation Fund to see if we can get funding for even on of these over pass crossing, but it will be along time if that would come to light so a few signs and some high to save some today would be a good thing.
Again I can't stress it enough that phone calls are good, but a written email or letter gets a lot more attention and the more they get the less they can ignore.
 

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I will add that if there is a public meeting showing up informed is the best of the options. You wouldn't believe how many G&F, USFS, travel management meetings me or other members attend and there's a very small amount of people there.