Did anyone hear about this or know what ever happened?
http://lmtribune.com/outdoors/article_b6edd419-282d-5ed9-b210-78c9816fa287.html
newguy220
http://lmtribune.com/outdoors/article_b6edd419-282d-5ed9-b210-78c9816fa287.html
newguy220
Sheep Tag Raincheck
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Musket Man
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Fink
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I remember this.. The hunter, from Washington, drew the tag, but never knew it, until the state sent him a request for harvest info. The hunter claimed that since he was never advised he drew the tag, that he should get a rain check.. Apparently, they obliged.
Pretty handy information to know, for when I finally draw a limited entry tag in Idaho. If I don't find the animal I want, at the end of the season, I'll just get a rain check for next year!!
Pretty handy information to know, for when I finally draw a limited entry tag in Idaho. If I don't find the animal I want, at the end of the season, I'll just get a rain check for next year!!
yeah thats fishy, who puts in for a trophie species like that and doesnt check if was drawn or not? unless this person was really sick or serving our country then this is just crazy. like fink said, if i dont harvest the animal i want ill just say i didnt know i drew. i dont like the sounds of this but ill be optimistic and assume there is more to this story.
Umpqua Hunter
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You'd think he would start wondering about his refund check as well. You have to front the non-resident tag fee.
As I've been looking for more information, I ran across what Fink said.
I'm with UH on this, I'd think you would want to know where your $2100 is or a tag.
The thing that makes me mad if they actually issue or already issued this guy a rain check because it states above the application form that, "Drawing results: It is the responsibility of the hunter to find out whether he or she was successful in drawing a controlled hunt." That right there means this guys shouldn't get a rain check.
newguy220
I'm with UH on this, I'd think you would want to know where your $2100 is or a tag.
The thing that makes me mad if they actually issue or already issued this guy a rain check because it states above the application form that, "Drawing results: It is the responsibility of the hunter to find out whether he or she was successful in drawing a controlled hunt." That right there means this guys shouldn't get a rain check.
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Musket Man
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It would be interesting to know the outcome because it all seems fishy to me.
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HuskyMusky
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People do get busy etc...
I'd like to see a hunter able to return the tag and have their points reinstated, and the next year simply go into the draw as a normal applicant, maybe with a limit of 1 or 2x per hunter max though.
but man! imagine losing all your sheep points, then finding out you drew and not getting your points back etc...!? probably a lawsuit if that were truly the case for returned fees etc...
I'd like to see a hunter able to return the tag and have their points reinstated, and the next year simply go into the draw as a normal applicant, maybe with a limit of 1 or 2x per hunter max though.
but man! imagine losing all your sheep points, then finding out you drew and not getting your points back etc...!? probably a lawsuit if that were truly the case for returned fees etc...
I can help with some of the questions. I know this one well!
After the 2012 season when the F&G was working through the sheep harvest information they identified they did not have the harvest information for the unit 11 draw tag holder. The holder was a nonresident. Once they contacted the individual they said they did not receive a tag nor new they drew the tag. This was just prior to the sheep show in Reno in February. So months after the close of the season. Once the word got out they was thinking of giving this individual a rain check. Some sportsmen got involved and the director’s office originally said they was not going to do it. The individual then proceeded to threaten to file a law suit against the department. Deputy Director Jim Unsworth then made the decision to give him a rain check in 2014 based on providing good customer service. They choose 2014 instead of 2013 for the rain check because the 2013 auction tag had already been sold and adding another tag to 2013 could cause trouble with false advertising of the auction tag. A group of sportsmen organized and had very good input to the commission through emails and phone calls trying to stop this. The biggest argument against the rain check was in two different locations in bold letters it stated it was the hunter’s responsibility to verify their draw results. Problem was there was a short window to make the next commission meeting in Coeur d’Alene so the numbers of sportsmen was probably not as good as should have been. At the commission meeting a couple individuals traveled to the commission meeting from Southeast Idaho and this is where more sportsmen numbers was really needed. The commission voted a split 3 and 3 and it had to pass by majority. Unfortunately the Magic Valley Region commissioner seat was not filled at the time to offset the split, which lily would went in favor of having it reconsidered the way the voting went. The Southeast region commissioner, Upper Snake region commissioner, and Salmon commissioners all voted in favor to have it reconsidered. The Panhandle region commissioner, Clearwater region commissioner and the Southwest region commissioner all voted against having it reconsidered.
Pretty sad how you could not take the responsibility or to care to check if you drew the state’s best Bighorn sheep tag. Really odd you would not miss the $2,100.00 especially when you own and operate a collections agency that is doing well enough you can acquire some really nice state trophy tags for elk and sheep. Yes this individual gamed the system and with no responsibility of their own, will be hunting in Idaho’s best bighorn sheep unit this year with a tag in his pocket.
After the 2012 season when the F&G was working through the sheep harvest information they identified they did not have the harvest information for the unit 11 draw tag holder. The holder was a nonresident. Once they contacted the individual they said they did not receive a tag nor new they drew the tag. This was just prior to the sheep show in Reno in February. So months after the close of the season. Once the word got out they was thinking of giving this individual a rain check. Some sportsmen got involved and the director’s office originally said they was not going to do it. The individual then proceeded to threaten to file a law suit against the department. Deputy Director Jim Unsworth then made the decision to give him a rain check in 2014 based on providing good customer service. They choose 2014 instead of 2013 for the rain check because the 2013 auction tag had already been sold and adding another tag to 2013 could cause trouble with false advertising of the auction tag. A group of sportsmen organized and had very good input to the commission through emails and phone calls trying to stop this. The biggest argument against the rain check was in two different locations in bold letters it stated it was the hunter’s responsibility to verify their draw results. Problem was there was a short window to make the next commission meeting in Coeur d’Alene so the numbers of sportsmen was probably not as good as should have been. At the commission meeting a couple individuals traveled to the commission meeting from Southeast Idaho and this is where more sportsmen numbers was really needed. The commission voted a split 3 and 3 and it had to pass by majority. Unfortunately the Magic Valley Region commissioner seat was not filled at the time to offset the split, which lily would went in favor of having it reconsidered the way the voting went. The Southeast region commissioner, Upper Snake region commissioner, and Salmon commissioners all voted in favor to have it reconsidered. The Panhandle region commissioner, Clearwater region commissioner and the Southwest region commissioner all voted against having it reconsidered.
Pretty sad how you could not take the responsibility or to care to check if you drew the state’s best Bighorn sheep tag. Really odd you would not miss the $2,100.00 especially when you own and operate a collections agency that is doing well enough you can acquire some really nice state trophy tags for elk and sheep. Yes this individual gamed the system and with no responsibility of their own, will be hunting in Idaho’s best bighorn sheep unit this year with a tag in his pocket.
Musket Man
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The unit 11 Bighorn Sheep draw tag holder from 2012 that was granted a rain check for 2014 for his irresponsibility to verify his draw results has taken his irresponsibility into the hunt. He has shot and killed two big rams on his hunt. Unit 11 which has been one of the state’s best units for producing trophy big horn rams was faced with a large fire this year and now has an additional ram harvested that was not planned for. The herd in unit 11 is not large and factors like this will take this unit down for potential hunters in years to come. IF&G is investigating this but it appears where he did turn himself in they are going to slap his hands with a warning ticket and will allow him to take his pick of the two rams and confiscate the other ram. It appears the outfitter that was assisting on the hunt will walk away with not even a hand slap. A sheep hunter did this same thing in Washington and he paid the price for it. Got to question who is regulating Idaho because it is not the IF&G.
NVBird'n'Big
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The information I been able to gather so far on how it happened all though very similar I cannot post it as fact. It is fact that two rams was killed and IF&G has one ram in possession and the hunter has the other in possession and a warning ticket will be the citation given. Barker Trophy Hunts would be the outfitter. Eric Barker has an article on it in the Lewiston Tribune.
Fink
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If the IF&G is allowing him to keep one of the rams, I assume there's much more to this story than has been released? I'd think the IF&G wouldn't take to kindly to poaching a ram.