Wyoming Indian Reservation land

[Tim McCoy]

As I understand it, at least in the PAC NW, the treaties talked about a share of the game, salmon in this case. No method of take was specified as far as I know. Judge Bolt, in 74 I think, held it to the share of the resource mentioned in the treaty as I recall. If that was common language in other treaties, as I suspect it was, the obvious recourse is to work together to enhance the populations, so there is plenty of all. The argument of using traditional methods of take, in my opinion, would only hold water if the conditions were the same. That will never happen as we are not going to stop all resource extraction, depopulate vast areas, remove all dams/roads/towns..., stop all non-native hunting, the list goes on, ...

So it seems to me we must work together for the benefit of the game, or waste time and money fighting. It is an emotional issue, but not one that will go away. What the tribes have done to restore salmon in the Columbia system, especially Sockeye, is a good
example. Down to 9 fish at one time, about to get the ESA death penalty. 400,000-600,000+ fish a year now with a great fishery for all. As far as I know, native impacts on big game are well below any rational estimate of poaching. Just the opinion of one Wasicu.

 

[RICMIC]

In answer to the issue on walleye spearing in MN and WI. 20 or so years ago it looked like the great Indian wars were about to start up again. In all these cases, the issue is resolved by the courts and their interpetation of what the specific treaty says. All of them are different, and in northern MN. the bro-haha was about Millacs Lake and the 1854 treaty relating to ceded territory and the right to hunt and fish on same. Like the rest of the country, only a small portion of the population hunts and fishes, and if the tribal game management does a good job regulating the tribal members, the resource is protected and it minimizes conflicts with the non-natives. The state and the Ojibway came to a sharing agreement that removed most of the conflict. It is starting up again now because of low walleye numbers, but the DNR insists that the problem is with predator fish (northern pike). The walleye limit is now 1, and the northern limit is 10.
By the way, I am part Cree. That's a Canadian tribe, north of the Ojibway area. That's just a remnant though, most of the rest is French Canadian (heh?) My 3X great-grandfather was a voyageur for the Hudson's Bay Company. I guess this stuff is in my blood.

 

[HiMtnHnter]

If they want to hunt per a 150 year old treaty, then the same weapons used then, should be required to be used now. A good horse and a bow and arrow. Not a AR-10 .308 with a 30rd. mag. I agree with this!! I've said this many times myself, I know we have native Americans and part native on here and I truly hope this thread offends nobody. this is a big prob over in my area, we have natives not even living on the res but still collecting like they do. I have many of native friends, being how I live across the river from the res, but this is still an issue across the country. things need changed: never will be but they need changed..... as far as hunting goes...

And maybe layoff waylaying 200" bucks in November and December in the name of subsistence. . .

 

[ivorytip]

amen amen amen

 

[In God We Trust]

This boils down to following the laws of a given area. The reservations have their laws regarding the management of wildlife and States have laws for regulating wildlife. If you are on tribal land then anyone on that land should follow their laws. If any individual regardless of their ancestry is on land with wildlife that is regulated by a state then that individual should have to follow those laws. It is pretty cut and dry. Anyone that doesn't see it that way is trying to scam the system. Sportsmen in this country have worked very hard and spent billions of dollars in the last 100+ years to make sure we have a viable wildlife system that we can pass on to future generations. It is the best system in the world. For some people to disregard the laws that now protect this wonderful thing we have going is WRONG!