WY preference point tactic

[aboss014]

I am a non-resident with 1pt looking to build points while still being able to hunt.

Can I build points by applying for say region G as first choice knowing I will not get drawn with 0pts. Then apply for another region that is possible to draw with 1pt?

I have simply drawn an easy region in the past as first choice without really knowing how the system works. We go out as a group and hunt on general tags, not limited or special.

Any advice to help build points while still being able to hunt are greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance!


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[Colorado Cowboy]

Drawing a second choice does not take away any points & you get another point because you didn't draw your first choice.

 

[cking13]

If you do not draw your first choice you will get a point. You can still hunt, but need to put a unit you can draw as second choice with zero points. Example: for antelope put unit 68 as first choice and then unit 113-2 as second choice if you really want to hunt. You need to make sure you pay attention to the second choice unit though and have access. You don?t use your points for a second choice .


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[aboss014]

Drawing a second choice does not take away any points & you get another point because you didn't draw your first choice.

Can I apply for G as first choice, and use my 1pt on second choice? This is as a group draw if that makes any difference.


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[cking13]

You have to use your points on first choice


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[LaHunter]

Can I apply for G as first choice, and use my 1pt on second choice? This is as a group draw if that makes any difference.


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You keep your points if you do not draw your first choice. This is the case as an individual or if you apply as a group.

 

[johnsd16]

Your one point doesn’t go toward your second choice. Points are not considered for second choice tags.

 

[aboss014]

You have to use your points on first choice


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Ah that doesn?t make it easy to build points this year then. I will need more than 0pts to draw the region I actually want. Meaning that will have to be my first choice. I appreciate the info!


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[WapitiBob]

Apply for a hunt that you will not draw in the Preference draw, and have almost zero chance of drawing in the Random side; 128 would be my choice.
Apply for the hunt you want as your 2nd choice but look at the Random draw report to see if you can actually draw. Your 1st choice is still valid for the Random side so look and make sure there are more licenses than 1st choice apps, then compare the remainder to the number of 2nd choice apps to get your odds as a 2nd choice. Points are lost on a 1st choice, not on a 2nd, AND, there is preliminary talk of allowing you to apply and not use your points on a 1st choice app.

 

[aboss014]

Apply for a hunt that you will not draw in the Preference draw, and have almost zero chance of drawing in the Random side; 128 would be my choice.
Apply for the hunt you want as your 2nd choice but look at the Random draw report to see if you can actually draw. Your 1st choice is still valid for the Random side so look and make sure there are more licenses than 1st choice apps, then compare the remainder to the number of 2nd choice apps to get your odds as a 2nd choice. Points are lost on a 1st choice, not on a 2nd, AND, there is preliminary talk of allowing you to apply and not use your points on a 1st choice app.

Let me get this straight. If I have any points at all, whatever I apply for as 1st choice they will automatically try to use my points to help in drawing it?

If that?s the case I don?t want that to happen...because as my 1st choice I will almost certainly get it with points..without points the chances are much lower.

Here is how I thought it worked...You can apply either with the option to use points or not use points. My dilemma is trying to build points...I want to apply for an area that has a low chance with zero points, if I get randomly drawn cool...If not then I accumulate some points and almost certainly will get my second choice.


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[Alabama]

If you have points and you draw your 1st choice, you Will lose them. It doesn't matter if you choose the PP option or not. It doesn't matter if you draw it as a preference or a random tag.

 

[aboss014]

If you have points and you draw your 1st choice, you Will lose them. It doesn't matter if you choose the PP option or not. It doesn't matter if you draw it as a preference or a random tag.

That changes my application strategy big time. Thanks!!


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[Alabama]

No problem man. Good Luck!

 

[aboss014]

Happen to know if drawing odds are the same as a 2nd/3rd choice, if not, where can I find that info?


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[JimP]

Everyone goes into the 2nd and 4rd draws with 0 points and the number of people applying every year will change both up and down so there is no real data to figure out the chances of drawing.

 

[Alabama]

https://wgfd.wyo.gov/Hunting/Drawing-Odds/2017-Drawing-Odds

Look at the NR random reports. If there are 100 tags and 50 1st choice apps then 50 tags carry over to 2nd choice. If there are 30 2nd choice apps then 20 carry over to 3rd choice etc.

If there are more 1st choice apps than available tags then none will go as 2nd choice.

Remember in WY all 1st choice apps are considered before 2nd choice. All 2nd choice apps will be considered before 3rd choice.

 

[aboss014]

https://wgfd.wyo.gov/Hunting/Drawing-Odds/2017-Drawing-Odds

Look at the NR random reports. If there are 100 tags and 50 1st choice apps then 50 tags carry over to 2nd choice. If there are 30 2nd choice apps then 20 carry over to 3rd choice etc.

If there are more 1st choice apps than available tags then none will go as 2nd choice.

Remember in WY all 1st choice apps are considered before 2nd choice. All 2nd choice apps will be considered before 3rd choice.

Ok got it! Just didn?t know how the 2nd and 3rd choice worked. You made it clear. Thanks!!


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[Erc D]

I've contemplated the same strategy, continue to build points while drawing a tag. Looks like there are quite a few second choice draw options in the special draw. Regular draw appears to be flooded with 1st choice applicants. Hope this helps

 

[aboss014]

I've contemplated the same strategy, continue to build points while drawing a tag. Looks like there are quite a few second choice draw options in the special draw. Regular draw appears to be flooded with 1st choice applicants. Hope this helps

Yeah I?m not interested in shelling out $600+ for a special tag.


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[EOHunter]

I think some of your confusion might be around the "preference point" option when you apply. The preference point option just means that if you do not draw your first choice, you want a preference point. If you do not choose this option, you will not get a preference point. A friend of mine found this out the hard way.

So if you apply for a tag with 1 point, you are put in the 1 point pool. If you do not draw that tag and you choose the preference point option when applying, the following year you would have 2 points, and so on until you draw your 1st choice. if you don't choose the preference point option you will be at 1 point for the next year also, unless you purchase a point when they make them available to purchase in the late summer/early fall.

Points do not have anything to do with second choice. So if you draw your second choice, and chose the preference point option when applying, you will get your second choice tag and be at 2 points for the following year. Just make sure the second choice is drawable on second, and make sure its somewhere you want to hunt. Most of the time if the unit is easy to draw on second choice, there is a reason such as poor quality, lack up public land, or maybe lots of public land but limited access, or a combination of reasons.

BTW, if you choose the preference point option when you apply and you end up drawing your first choice, they will refund you the cost of the preference point option because you would then have used your one point and because you drew, you would not be eligible to gain a point that year.