WY G&F in Financial Trouble...

[justinthedoc]

Ha Ha are you kidding me, in the Casper (RED) Star front page says there in a financial crisis and want the public input on what to do. Are you freaking kidn me, how about drop your freakknnn salaries you idiots. A game warden clears over 5500.00 a month plus free room and board, elec, and water not to mention the insane re-tiremnt. I hope everyone knows that NR, or resident that tag prices are going to go up cause of the greedy devils. Please for the love of the good lord some one with common sense show up to that meeting, and tell them to take a pay cut and leave the prices alone. There is no reason to have a regional wildlife supervisor, and a regional wildlife biologist supervisor. Together those two positions clear 200k, just wastefull politic crap that me and you will pay for.

 

[Drelk]

Casper RED Star. Hahaha. Couldn't have said it better.

 

[EBOLAVIRS]

I don't mind people making a decent wage, the whole race towards the bottom, cutting wages, outlook is not going to help the country. With all the oil/gas drilling and exploration going on which impacts habitat and requires additional enforcement, studies, research etc. they should start dinging the oil and gas companies some to offset their impact.

 

[justinthedoc]

Thats the problem there already dipping into the general fund which is state funds paid mostly by the energy tax's. A 100k a year is more that a descent wage for what those guys do. And 66k a year starting for wardens is re-donkulous with housing provided, studies; what studies. What do you know that the G&F is doing besides CWD studies. Oh and lets not forget about our invasive species buddies. Hope everyone got there decal. WTF does nobody else see the pattern with these turds. Invasive species is a joke they will tell you gloom and doom, but do any of you honestly believe that any of those tards that check your boat those 4 months of the year stop any of what inevitably is going to be here. All the invasive crap is, is a fund producer thats IT.... Do you want to know who the largest spreader is of invasive species....
Fly-fisherman (neoprene waders) and thats a fact.... This is a trend when I worked there I made 1800 a month. So dnt talk to me about descent wages. And guess what those jobs are so sought after that you could pay that and you would have more than enough quailified people taking those jobs. All that article was, was a pre-emptive strike to say that "oh and by the way 2013 licenses are going UP".

 

[Doe Nob]

Triple resident tag fees - that's what you do. You run up the non-res more you are going to run them off, pretty steep already.

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

The money has got to be going somewhere. There were no numbers on the budget in the story....only the projected shortfall. I'll bet the gross revenue is up substantually, even with the supposed fewer hunters cited in the story. The fees for NRs is up, along with most of the NRs buying Points. W G & F created the "Special" License for NRs that is almost double in price too.

We will have to see what happens.

 

[jenbickel]

I definitely don't vote for tripling resident fees.....

 

[HuntWYODon]

All states keep raising their license and tag fee's for non residents all the time. They are the first to get gouged when they need money. Wy. fee's are some of the highest. $600 for an elk tag, $795 for a limited entry elk tag in Ut.. $1200 in Nv. $595 in Az. All those states except Wy. you have to buy a license also. Hey, maybe that will be their way to make more revenue... I think there comes a point when non res just say screw it or just put in for pts.. It always seems the the Warden's and other's have brand new trucks. I could be wrong. I'm sure there are cut's they could make.
Wow ! $66 grand starting salary, in Wy. ?

 

[EBOLAVIRS]

So it boils down to the guys working there now make more than you made when you were there. Oh well, I don't get were all this salary envy came from the last few years. Its all over the news, its big in the political circles, its divisive and unproductive. They have a good job I say good for them. The Wal-Mart attitude of paying the lowest possible wage to fill a spot is not the approach I want to take when you are talking about someone who carries a gun and meets you in the woods somewhere. Just like I don't want the lowest possible paid highway patrolman pulling my daughter over in the middle of the night. If they raise the cost of the licenses it won't be due to the amount of money they pay their employees. If their budget was analyzed you would find giant sink holes of money for do nothing programs and projects, just like every other government organization. If Wyoming is anything like the state I live in, they could fire every state worker and the budget would only be reduced by 10%, yet that is the only thing you will hear the politicians yelling about, the wages paid to state workers. Jealousy and envy are the most basic human emotions, easily exploited, and politicians are nothing if not skilled exploiters.

 

[justinthedoc]

Thats where your failing to understand how this states G&F works, its not salary envy its common sense. Its why detroit F-ed up. You dont pay someone 30$ an hour to push a damn button. Here (WY) you have a fisheries, and a big game side, funny how the big game side is the only side thats loosing the G&F money. The fisheries division profits millions of $$$. Not saying they shouldnt get paid, kudos to them for geting the money, I have many degrees could have made way more money than I did in a contract position, but chose that job because of the job. Its a great gig, thats why you can get better people with less pay, oh and by the way, the HP's here have high school degrees (not nocking a High school degree) so not exactly the cream of the crop. Its not a revenue problem thats B.S. I dare them to show us a number of any decrease in license sales, or any proof of less folks putting in for those licenses. The state poulation in the last ten years has almost doubled. Its a lie plain and simple, they just want more $$$, or are just planning more pay increases. And the trucks they replace when they get 75k miles on them. And its supposed to be that only on call LE guys can drive department trucks home. Now I see biologists, supervisors, and heck even the director of them gets to drive his green truck home and to work every day. Betcha that adds up to a few grand every month in just fuel.
No increases I dnt care if its for Res, or NR...

Let em go belly up, maybe its time to start over.

 

[HuntWYODon]

Thats where your failing to understand how this states G&F works, its not salary envy its common sense. Its why detroit F-ed up. You dont pay someone 30$ an hour to push a damn button. Here (WY) you have a fisheries, and a big game side, funny how the big game side is the only side thats loosing the G&F money. The fisheries division profits millions of $$$. Not saying they shouldnt get paid, kudos to them for geting the money, I have many degrees could have made way more money than I did in a contract position, but chose that job because of the job. Its a great gig, thats why you can get better people with less pay, oh and by the way, the HP's here have high school degrees (not nocking a High school degree) so not exactly the cream of the crop. Its not a revenue problem thats B.S. I dare them to show us a number of any decrease in license sales, or any proof of less folks putting in for those licenses. The state poulation in the last ten years has almost doubled. Its a lie plain and simple, they just want more $$$, or are just planning more pay increases. And the trucks they replace when they get 75k miles on them. And its supposed to be that only on call LE guys can drive department trucks home. Now I see biologists, supervisors, and heck even the director of them gets to drive his green truck home and to work every day. Betcha that adds up to a few grand every month in just fuel.
No increases I dnt care if its for Res, or NR...

Let em go belly up, maybe its time to start over.

Amen to that.

 

[Stig87]

Just curious, where did you find the salaries for game wardens?

 

[NDHunter]

As long as the government is running the government, things are going to be $*@?#& up.

 

[justinthedoc]

Used to be one for twenty years still have many a friend workin there. I could tell you lots more but dont need anyone loosing there job. Also dont need anyone knowing who I am, and being there state employees its public knowledge if you want to call the state guys in cheyenne, and if there is a warden vacancy you can find the starting salary on the state hiring page. I remember back in the day when they hired off-duty sheriff officers to help with the load so they didnt have the have a warden salary the entire year. Sure less jobs, but atleast its less revenue, and most of those SO's were pretty good dudes, and had more authority than a game warden. (in Wy you can only write game violations nothing else)

 

[justinthedoc]

Well its official boys and girls there going to ask me and you to pay higher license fee's to bail there arses out again. I am figuring a 15-20$ increase for residents, and probly 100$ for NR. Let your voices be heard guys, call cheyenne let them know were sick of bailing people out. Cover your own check book, I have to cover mine.

 

[HuntWYODon]

Well its official boys and girls there going to ask me and you to pay higher license fee's to bail there arses out again. I am figuring a 15-20$ increase for residents, and probly 100$ for NR. Let your voices be heard guys, call cheyenne let them know were sick of bailing people out. Cover your own check book, I have to cover mine.

Yep . It will be 10 times the amout of what ever the resident fee is. That's the norm in most states. Lovely. The first time I ever hunted in Wy. in 1983 it was $100.00 for a deer tag and $100.00 for and antelope tag. You could buy an additional limited quota whitetail tag for $60.00. Had three tags every year for 5 yrs. . Oh the good old days... Are gone !

 

[jenbickel]

Yep . It will be 10 times the amout of what ever the resident fee is. That's the norm in most states. Lovely. The first time I ever hunted in Wy. in 1983 it was $100.00 for a deer tag and $100.00 for and antelope tag. You could buy an additional limited quota whitetail tag for $60.00. Had three tags every year for 5 yrs. . Oh the good old days... Are gone !

Maybe you should move to wyoming then you could have those three tags again!

 

[HuntWYODon]

Maybe you should move to wyoming then you could have those three tags again!

LOL ! I plan to in the next couple yrs. or whenever the dam housing market goes back up !
It would be nice to pay resident fees ! You would probably be buggin me all the time though...

 

[hoshour]

Nonresident tag prices are getting ridiculous, especially in states where you have to buy the nonresident license first and it is nonrefundable when you're not drawn. On top of airfare or gas to drive from several states away and all the other costs of hunting, including taxidermy (hopefully) it is just getting too expensive for the non-addicted.

Or, look at MT where you must buy a deer and elk combo tag for nearly $900! Give me a break!

There is always a point at which price increases become counterproductive by driving off too many customers. The revenue loss is more than what you gain from the higher prices. Just simple economics. I think many Game and Fish departments are just about there.

 

[HuntWYODon]

Nonresident tag prices are getting ridiculous, especially in states where you have to buy the nonresident license first and it is nonrefundable when you're not drawn. On top of airfare or gas to drive from several states away and all the other costs of hunting, including taxidermy (hopefully) it is just getting too expensive for the non-addicted.

Or, look at MT where you must buy a deer and elk combo tag for nearly $900! Give me a break!

There is always a point at which price increases become counterproductive by driving off too many customers. The revenue loss is more than what you gain from the higher prices. Just simple economics. I think many Game and Fish departments are just about there.

You hit it on the nose hoshour. This will be my 30th year of hunting Wy. and this was the fist time in 30 yrs. I didn't apply for draw in Ut. I applied for points only. Wasn't worth the poor hunting since 2008 where I always went. The price of fuel and tags,food,etc. I bet I saved at least $1200.00. The last two yrs. I've been saying to myself I think this will be the last year for out of state. Can't afford it anymore. I still hunt in Az. a lot and have some good friends there I hunt with. Cheaper on fuel too. Az. and Nv. are two states that make you buy a license even to apply for pts.. Extorsion comes to mind...Montana ? Rip off.