Struck out on Montana- WY or ID as backup?

ageewhy

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Im suffering a bit of the drawing blues and scramblin' to get a backup trip lined up after not getting drawn for the Deer combo license in Montana...

The way I see it, if we want to still do a Muley trip this year our choice is either OTC Idaho, or Wyoming. I have 1 point in Wyoming- and at this point in my research that doesn't really look like it will get us much. I am looking at possibly entering the special draw for Wyoming (since that is about the cost we were planning on paying for MT deer combo) and listing something like G or H as 1st choice, then R or Y or D as a second choice. That way we can gain another point for next year, and get R, Y, or D lined up for this year.

For Idaho, I've been trying to focus research on units in the southern 1/3rd of the state, since the terrain is a bit more forgiving (my dad is 64). But the units with the highest success and good public access (such as 39 and 43) sound downright scary in terms of hunting pressure and ATV's etc. Talk about Paralysis by Analysis!

My next step is to call the regional offices and get some feedback on the Winter conditions and and post season counts that may have been conducted. I know Both those states and Colorado have been hammered this year with snow.

Not sure if I'm asking any specific questions...I guess this is more of a rant and just sharing my gameplan. Feel free to throw in your .02 cents if you feel inclined...still very new to all this (had my first Western Hunt last year- Antelope in WY).

Cheers!
 

Tim McCoy

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With the bad winter, there is a possibility folks will abandon G/H, if so, you could end up with a tag there you may not have wanted. Not sure that will happen, but that's what popped into my mind. I can't recall when the SD draws are, but that may be worth a check too.
 

RICMIC

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I have hunted H four times for deer and punched all my tags. BUT, after this winter I would be very reluctant to hunt there for a while. We always went steep and deep, but the back country roads were abuzz with vehicle and hunters, and the trails were well covered by horses, plus. much of the unit is wilderness area and will require a guide for NRs. Age isn't as big a factor as health and conditioning (I'm 64 too). So, I agree with Tim about applying for H with your 1 pt. You could just apply for another high demand unit for your first choice.
 

mntnguide

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My personal guess is that more people will burn their points this year in G and H than holding them... we lost basically an entire crop of young deer and older adults.. what survived are going to be middle aged.... it's in the next couple years when you will really see the effects of this winter. I don't expect to see near as many bucks scouting this summer, but I'm sure I'll turn up some good ones... that being said 1 point won't draw you G or H I would guess, so you would be hoping for a chance in the complete random draw which is roughly about 4% draw odds I think, but someone could correct me on that for sure. Good luck in your choices

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ageewhy

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My personal guess is that more people will burn their points this year in G and H than holding them... we lost basically an entire crop of young deer and older adults.. what survived are going to be middle aged.... it's in the next couple years when you will really see the effects of this winter. I don't expect to see near as many bucks scouting this summer, but I'm sure I'll turn up some good ones... that being said 1 point won't draw you G or H I would guess, so you would be hoping for a chance in the complete random draw which is roughly about 4% draw odds I think, but someone could correct me on that for sure. Good luck in your choices

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Man, mother nature is brutal isn't she? I hate to hear about such loss, but such is life I reckon'. I know the odds are slim with 1 point for G or H, thats why I was saying we would list it as our first choice- and likely not get drawn. Then it would go to our second choice (possibly either R, Y or D) and pick it up while still gaining a PP since we didn't get our first choice...
 

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I have hunted H four times for deer and punched all my tags. BUT, after this winter I would be very reluctant to hunt there for a while. We always went steep and deep, but the back country roads were abuzz with vehicle and hunters, and the trails were well covered by horses, plus. much of the unit is wilderness area and will require a guide for NRs. Age isn't as big a factor as health and conditioning (I'm 64 too). So, I agree with Tim about applying for H with your 1 pt. You could just apply for another high demand unit for your first choice.
Any pics?????
 

RICMIC

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Any pics?????
I don't have any of those pictures on this computer as my older one crashed last year. I got two 160" (almost) class bucks on guided hunts in the Gros Ventre Wilderness. That experience helped me a lot in how to hunt mule deer. I did a fall scouting trip the next year, and packed back and got another good buck. My last hunt was in the same area, and we were snowed in for 3 days (Sept. 15th no less), my partner got a good 4x4, and I took a meat buck on the last morning. I am still looking for Mr. Big. Maybe in CO this fall.
 

Wyoming Hart

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Man, mother nature is brutal isn't she? I hate to hear about such loss, but such is life I reckon'. I know the odds are slim with 1 point for G or H, thats why I was saying we would list it as our first choice- and likely not get drawn. Then it would go to our second choice (possibly either R, Y or D) and pick it up while still gaining a PP since we didn't get our first choice...
You said in your original post about applying special. You may wanna apply regular to be almost sure. I drew G last year with 2 points in the special, plus who knows how people will apply with the winter.
 

ageewhy

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You said in your original post about applying special. You may wanna apply regular to be almost sure. I drew G last year with 2 points in the special, plus who knows how people will apply with the winter.
Wow, G with 2 points is pretty amazing! Did you have any luck? And thanks for sharing, I will definitely consider that.
 

fackelberry

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Remember, they are gonna cut 200 non-resident tags out also over there. So that will have an impact on draw odds also. Good luck, and good hunting!