Single pin or 3 pin slider??

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Collins

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Greetings everybody, I am looking for some input regarding the Black Gold Ascent Verdict. I am torn between a single pin and the 3 pin slider. I have always been a fixed 5-pin guy, but a clearer sight window is what I'm going for, as well as being able to target shoot at greater distances. But it's same the old hunting situation dilemma that's got me on the fence. I am from Wisconsin, so I'm hoping I can get some input from people who have lots of experience bowhunting out west with either a single or fixed pin, and why they prefer it. I wouldn't mind the single pin for treestand hunting around home, but not sure about the western states. Any advice??
Thanks.
 
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I think it comes down to proficiency (solved with practice) and hunting style. I'm always archery hunting either elk, deer (muley/whitetail) or pronghorns. Only once did I not have time to laze, spin, draw and release. I walked up on a bedded bull that I thought was a log :) Most times you already know the shot window/yardage and its dialed in or close.

99 times out of 100 I think the single pin is the way to go. Its helped a lot with my longer distance pronghorn shots also (as did the SD arrows) as I had better target acquisition and aim point hold vision. For lack of a better term :)
 
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collins,
I think it is a personal preference that comes with hunting strategy and preferred practice. I run a Black Gold Ascent Verdict and enjoy it for various reasons. I started shooting with fixed pins and did well. I then went to a three pin slider from HHA. I looked at the one pin for HHA but went with the three pin because, to me, I could have the best of both worlds -the comfort of having the ability to move pins for longer shots (practice and longer 3D shoots) as well as a consistent three pin sight picture and ability to gap on the fly if an animal moved on me etc.
I have never hunted from a tree stand, but a single pin makes sense to me here. However, I would still be mindful of the drops as an animal can move and movement of adjustment can be tricky. I would say that for western hunting a three pin would work better.
For what its worth, I would suggest looking at the Spot hogg sights with the one post but two pins. Gives some ability to have a single pin, but also a second pin for such situations that doesn't allow you to change the dial.
just my .02
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I have the Black Gold Ascent (model before the Verdict) with 4 pins. Like you, I do a lot of tree stand hunting. I went with the 4 "fixed" pins for when I am hunting out of a tree stand and my shots will be 55 yds or less. I have a pin for 25, 35, 45, and 55 yds. When somewhere where I want a longer shot (target shooting) then the system becomes adjustable and I can dial in using the bottom pin.

IMO having the 4 "fixed" pins for tree stand hunting when I pretty much know ranges based off of ranging a bunch of trees before a deer ever comes in works for me. But I also like having the long range adjustability of a single pin for when the time calls for it.
 
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Horsenhike said:
Slugs, what do you mean by "spin"? Are you adjusting your single pin after ranging? Or do you know your drops?
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Yes is the short answer. I'm generally already in the ball park figure, laze and animal/spot, spin my dial for exact yardage. I just like the better target/aim point acquisition and always the same sight picture of a single pin.
 
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I think I'll go for it. Have 9 months until we hunt. Bought a used Diamond bow off Craigslist today for $150. New string and a drop away rest, just needs a sight.

This gets me shooting anyway.
 
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Horsenhike said:
http://www.cabelas.com/product/hha-one-pin-optimizer-lite-cadet-bow-sight/1803374.uts?destination=/catalog/browse/bow-sights/_/N-1100041/No-0/Ns-MIN_SALE_PRICE?WTz_stype=GNU&recordsPerPage=18

What are the odds this is worth getting? I am on a serious budget, but have a Cabela's $50 card.
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It will work fine...just become proficient with it and get yourself out hunting! Although its nice to have we dont need all the high end stuff to get out and just have fun!!!
 
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I bought it. Pretty cool. Took some fiddling around to get it mounted correctly, but it is squared away now. Wife and I are both hitting a paper plate every shot at 27 yards with just a couple weeks practice. We move out to 35 yards today with a goal of being deadly at 50.
 
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Been using a single pin for years. Like the non clutter with one. Set it at 35yds and I'm good to go to 0-40yds. You just have to aim high or low on some shots. It hasn't cost me an animal yet.
 
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I was debating the exact same thing as you are . I ended up getting a 3 pin slider.

It's a good middle ground since it clears up the sight picture

you have the adjustability of a single pin for dialing in exact yardage if needed

Have 3 set pins for hunting situations that happen quickly when you don't have time to adjust
 
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Shot a six inch four arrow 44 yards group yesterday. First time shooting at that range. Very happy with my new bow and sight.
 
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I used to have a HHA Adjustable. I shot really well with it. Then I shot right under the biggest buck of my life at 35 yards with it and looked down only to see the nut had loosened and had moved when I had brought the bow up the tree. (Operator error for sure but not something I wanted to deal with ever again...)

Then I switched to a Spot Hog Real deal .019 pin. I would never go back for the simple fact that I couldn't get over the fact that I may need to move that sight in the heat of battle.


I never will get over those 50 white hairs lying on the ground where that big buck stood...4 inches higher and I would have heart shot him....lol

When it comes to archery I am a BIG advocate of having things as bulletproof as possible when it comes to BOW and ARROW setup. Like many of you I have learned things the hard way.
 
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Funny how those disappointments in life are sometimes our strongest memories.

Not really all that sold on the single pin, but for now it is doing its job. We are shooting every day, and expect to be proficient by the beginning of the season. We have potentially four deer tags apiece we could fill this fall. It'll be here before we know it.
 
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I switched to a single pin slider from a 5-pin sight last year and I like it a whole lot better. Taking time to adjust for yardage has not been an issue because I usually hunt from a tree stand, but even if I were on the ground, I don't think it would likely be an issue.

If the animal has seen you before you adjust it and draw back, you can estimate the yardage and drop pretty well if you shoot much. I make it a habit to guess yardages on a regular basis and check my guess with a rangefinder. After a while of doing that you can estimate really well.

I keep my pin at 30 yards and know where my arrows will go at 20 and 40. The cleaner sight picture is a huge advantage.
 
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