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[sellout]

The Mule deer hunting in western Wyoming has dropped drasticly due to over hunting, hunting magazines like Eastman's selling out all the good hunting areas in Wyoming, poor management from the game and fish, hard winters, and preditors ( wolves)

Wyoming is not the place to hunt deer in Wyoming

F.O.E

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

Don't necessarily agree with everything you say, but everyone's entitled to their views.

 

[squirrelduster]

That's funny. Eastman's has nothing to do with the deer decline anymore than Remington does.

Deer fluctuate due to environmental conditions such as weather and predators more than hunter pressure.

Try hunting in a screwed up state like California, no lion hunting, high bear population and too many coyotes equals a declining deer herd. Throw in a bad winter and you have a recipe for disaster. The anti everything people make it worse. One crappy hunting location in Wyoming is still better than the majority of California.

 

[sellout]

When the deer population is on the decline and the game and fish do not reduce the number of tags given out, and stories are published about how wonderful the hunting is, just to help thier buisnes going has a lot to do with the decline.

 

[Bitterroot Bulls]

I will agree that exposure in magazines (even Eastmans) has increased pressure and affected draw odds in some places, but it certainly isn't the cause of the mule deer decline. There is a pretty good arcticle on just that in the latest issue of Eastmans.

Nothing, and I mean nothing, has affected mule deer more than habitat loss. When people stop purchasing 5 acre "Ranchettes" on the winter range, we will be making real progress.

 

[Grantbvfd]

That's funny. Eastman's has nothing to do with the deer decline anymore than Remington does.

Deer fluctuate due to environmental conditions such as weather and predators more than hunter pressure.

Try hunting in a screwed up state like California, no lion hunting, high bear population and too many coyotes equals a declining deer herd. Throw in a bad winter and you have a recipe for disaster. The anti everything people make it worse. One crappy hunting location in Wyoming is still better than the majority of California.

Couldn't agree more. Eastmans make areas known to more people. Just because Eastmans says it's good doesn't change the number of tags in an area.

Growing wolf populations, harsh winters, deer migration.... There are a ton of factors. Predators are becoming a huge issue all over the country. From Minnesota to California they are here. Maybe instead of pointing fingers at companies(like Eastmans) who help hunters, sell out should concentrate on talking to politicians who are letting this predator invasion happen.

 

[sellout]

Trust me I have been involed in meeting with game and fish, politicians. I have wrote many letters and posted my concers to get the wolves under control if not stopped, because I agree they are hurting the population of wild life.


The more people know about a good hunting area the more people want to hunt it. The will become over hunted and the population will go down.

When you grow up hunting an area and know the area well, when you have seen the number of deer decline, and the number of Californa License plates going up is a recipe for disaster.

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

Trust me I have been involed in meeting with game and fish, politicians. I have wrote many letters and posted my concers to get the wolves under control if not stopped, because I agree they are hurting the population of wild life.

The more people know about a good hunting area the more people want to hunt it. The will become over hunted and the population will go down.

It won't become over hunted if the tag numbers stay the same. Points required will undoubtly increase, but this has nothing to do with how many people hunt an area. Wolves are anothe subject. Wyoming had the right idea with their first management plan that the fed idsapproved. Treat them like any predator...shoot on sight. I've seen firsthand what the wolves can do. If (and when) they get here to Colorado, thats what I intend to do.

 

[sellout]

I hope that Colorado will be able to take care of the wolves before they become a problem like they are in Wyoming, Idaho, Montana

 

[Tenmilestyle]

I believe most states game dept. can't and will not act in time to manage a declining areas wildlife. States will not cut across the board due to loss of revenue. So some of the most depleted areas get some dosing of quota cuts. I beleive state revenue is put higher than game management. I live in a state that is living proof of this! All through the 80's and early 90's Mule deer tag quota's stayed very high or gained tags. All the time habitat was disapearing,then a series of major winter kill ratio's. The tag numbers in some of the most desirable units stayed high for another 3-5 years after. Almost wiping out gene pools that produced some of OR best bucks.
As far as magazines like eastmans effecting hunting,there is no doubt finding a honey hole that will last for many years is way less likley in these days. We live in an information age! With so many tools to help people spread knowlegde and secrets about hunting it is drawing more people outdoors,wich in the long run might save hunting all together.

 

[Drhorsepower]

I hope that Colorado will be able to take care of the wolves before they become a problem like they are in Wyoming, Idaho, Montana

Dear Eastmans.

Can someone block this guy. I think it is husky musky under another screen name. We don't need negative attitudes on the best forum on the web! This forum is not made to bicker. It is intended to learn and educate folks. Not debating. the atmosphere is pretty mellow around here and that's how we like it.

 

[Ikeepitcold]

Dear Eastmans.

Can someone block this guy. I think it is husky musky under another screen name. We don't need negative attitudes on the best forum on the web! This forum is not made to bicker. It is intended to learn and educate folks. Not debating. the atmosphere is pretty mellow around here and that's how we like it.

Here Here! Dr I agree. Lets keep this forum to a positive attitude!

 

[sellout]

This is not huskey musky. Arn't forums to let people share thier opinion and thought on topics??? And all I am trying to do is let people know that the Mule deer in Wyoming are on the decline and some of the reasons why. Would you want to spent the money for a out of state tag, to find out that all the info of the area you have been reading about is not true. Or would you want to know the facts before hand??

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

This is not huskey musky. Arn't forums to let people share thier opinion and thought on topics??? And all I am trying to do is let people know that the Mule deer in Wyoming are on the decline and some of the reasons why. Would you want to spent the money for a out of state tag, to find out that all the info of the area you have been reading about is not true. Or would you want to know the facts before hand??

I'd sure like to know the areas you say are have been lied about. How about some specifics!!

 

[Bitterroot Bulls]

sellout,

I, for one, hope you stick around. I understand your frustration with your hunting area being "discovered." That happens with or without a magazine or a forum. This forum is pretty tight. Maybe somebody here can help you get on to some deer during these lean times. Maybe you can help somebody here out as well.

Mule deer numbers are cyclical. They should rebound, maybe not to their former greatness, but still better. Hunters sticking together is going to be the biggest help. Hunters have always been big game's best friend.

I posted my thoughts on some misinformation (IMO) on Montana, including some overly optimistic information on some units. I posted about it in the MRS section of the Forum. Maybe you could do something similar in the WY MRS forum.

 

[jenbickel]

I don't think it's magazines like eastmans that causes the deer population decrease. It's definitely has to do with winter kills and predator kills. Even if eastmans says where it is good to hunt, does not make an area over hunted. Most of the areas that are good hunting are hard to draw areas. The game and fish isn't going to give out more tags just because the area is popular. I don't have a problem at all telling people where my honey holes are. Also, out of staters that are looking to hunt here in wyoming shouldn't just go off of what a magazine says. It's a good place to start but if you are wanting even better information, there's no better way than to go straight to the source. By that, I mean drive to wyoming and do your own research.

 

[gatheringsheds]

If none of us replied to sellout perhaps he will just fade away.

 

[sellout]

This year's hard winter killed more deer in western Wyoming than the Wyoming Game and Fish Department has seen in years.

Preliminary results show the Sublette deer herd lost between 45 and 60 percent of its mule deer fawns and the Wyoming Range herd lost as many as 75 percent of its fawns. Those are some of the worst losses recorded in the Wyoming Range herd since 1990, according to a Game and Fish release.

The numbers are also a minimum, since some deer will keep dying from depleted reserves even as spring continues.

Game and Fish also conducted a survey of all deer carcasses using volunteers to canvass deer habitat. This year's survey, completed this month, showed more than 400 dead deer in the Wyoming herd, the highest number since the early 1990s.

The fawn loss could impact hunting for the next few seasons. Officials already proposed limiting the hunting season for the Sublette mule deer herd to three days, taking away the last weekend of the general season and eliminating the "any deer" season in some areas.

For more information contact the Jackson Game and Fish office at 307-733-2321 or the Pinedalen Game and Fish office at 307-367-4353, or visit the Game and Fish website.



Read more: http://trib.com/news/opinion/blogs/outdoors/article_4b603d02-88b9-11e0-9cc5-001cc4c002e0.html#ixzz1mrgrSTLe

 

[jenbickel]

Is that where you live? I'm just curious as to how different your winter has been there as compared to here. We have had an unbelievably mild winter but I wonder about the rest of the state. I'm also waiting for one of our nasty march storms...May mess up a lot!

 

[sellout]

HARVEST REPORTS for 2011 are not out yet.

jenbickel yes our winter has been very mild this year. For now it has been easy on the deer this winter, but if we do not get the snow or spring rain there will not be any feed for the next winter