nuther shooting

[kidoggy]

to start , my prayers , sympathy and condolences , go out to all those involved and or affected.
may GOD embrace and keep you all.





the talking heads are already calling for
'common sense " gun laws and an honest discussion about how to solve the problem.

so ....let's be honest!
as a society, common sense is severely lacking.
until that changes such things will continue to occur with more and more frequency.

as a society , we have shunned GODLY values and embraced all things evil and now we get to reap what we've sown. guilty and innocent alike, though if we REALLY want to be honest, which I doubt MOST can be, there are NO innocents.

THIS , is the pure ,HONEST, truth and the very root of this problem.
it is not the self aware evil firearms. nor is it the lack of laws , or even mental illness(though our society is,without a doubt ,mentally ill)
it IS the lack of "common sense"!

when evil is embraced , evil will flourish! until society embraces this one , fundamental "common sense " truth ,to be true , there can be no overcoming of these problems we face.

 

[badgerbob]

I was listening to Rush Limbaugh today. A caller called in with an interesting idea. We need to be realistic. He maintains that there is, at some point, going to be another shooting, and that the shooter, probably, already has the weapon he will use. Realistically, we can't do anything about that. However, he pointed out, that there are no crimes committed inside police stations. We need to go on the defensive in our schools. He suggests arming a percentage of our teachers. Defend our schools. During the 60s we practiced bomb threats in our schools. Everyone was in fear of Russia being able to hit the US with a nuclear warhead. I was there and participated in them. Inform the students what possibly could happen and how to react. They will get it. We can't protect our children from the idea that at some point someone may attempt an attack on them while they are at school. What we can do, and what we are failing at, is to prepare them for this attack. I think all schools should have security personal. Banks, department stores, the Social Security Offices and a ton of others have on site security personal. Why not the schools. It's a far cry better than sticking our heads in the sand and hoping it won't happen again. It doesn't matter which side you are on, you need to come to terms with the fact that we can't get all of the guns. The bad guys are always going to get them. Lets put our efforts into something we can do. Seems to me like this country is pretty good at that, once everyone is on board with it. Another thing that was brought to light. When the numbers are calculated for gun deaths in the US, suicide numbers are added in and it is my understanding that there are more gun shot suicide deaths than assaults with guns. Let's start making sure our facts really represent what we are try to convey......

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

Lots of schools have security people at their schools, inner city schools have their own "police" force. I don't recall any of these school shooting happening at inner city schools....must work.

 

[mallardsx2]

Very sad times we live in.

-lack of family values
-lack of good parenting

I'll do my best to raise my kids with a strong emphasis on the above.

I cant speak for the rest of to today's society because every day I see something crazy that makes me raise my eyebrows.

 

[kidoggy]

Lots of schools have security people at their schools, inner city schools have their own "police" force. I don't recall any of these school shooting happening at inner city schools....must work.

funny how these things are always drawn to "gun free" zones .

 

[kidoggy]

I was listening to Rush Limbaugh today. A caller called in with an interesting idea. We need to be realistic. He maintains that there is, at some point, going to be another shooting, and that the shooter, probably, already has the weapon he will use. Realistically, we can't do anything about that. However, he pointed out, that there are no crimes committed inside police stations. We need to go on the defensive in our schools. He suggests arming a percentage of our teachers. Defend our schools. During the 60s we practiced bomb threats in our schools. Everyone was in fear of Russia being able to hit the US with a nuclear warhead. I was there and participated in them. Inform the students what possibly could happen and how to react. They will get it. We can't protect our children from the idea that at some point someone may attempt an attack on them while they are at school. What we can do, and what we are failing at, is to prepare them for this attack. I think all schools should have security personal. Banks, department stores, the Social Security Offices and a ton of others have on site security personal. Why not the schools. It's a far cry better than sticking our heads in the sand and hoping it won't happen again. It doesn't matter which side you are on, you need to come to terms with the fact that we can't get all of the guns. The bad guys are always going to get them. Lets put our efforts into something we can do. Seems to me like this country is pretty good at that, once everyone is on board with it. Another thing that was brought to light. When the numbers are calculated for gun deaths in the US, suicide numbers are added in and it is my understanding that there are more gun shot suicide deaths than assaults with guns. Let's start making sure our facts really represent what we are try to convey......

I completely agree with security in the schools but this is hardly a new idea.

liberals will not allow it . to them the evil gun simply cannot be trusted to make the correct choice.

they would rather leave the public defensless.of coarse this only applies to others as they are ok with their own security details being armed.

I love honest discussions.

 

[mnhoundman]

This is very sad, the school should be a safe place for our children. And it's not anymore, i think we will need security to prevent them entering our schools.
And like Trump says that just pizzes the libs off is mental health, this person said in a YouTube video he was going to become a famous shooter! Nothing was done!! Again overlooked!!

Was reading the news this morning, a Williston, nd. Man was involved in a multi vehicle crash in the twin cities, he was out of the car running around with a large knife, a man stopped to help and when the man attacked him he shot him. Kinda like the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun???
The knife didn't attacked the man on it's own!

 

[Slugz]

First prayers for the deceased and their familys.

Agree with all the comments above with regards to the schools. A strong defense is an overwhelmingly strong offense.

I know this will ruffle some feathers....but....this is domestic terrorism that could have been prevented. The inter web changes everything and I believe users give away some of their privacy rights when using it. There are too many rules that the government must follow when it comes to spying on US citizens or any other people in the boundaries of US controlled territory.
The individual that did the horrible thing had an electronic signature on the web that should have been caught (sounds like it was reported). Just like an international terrorist that gets hunted, we need to hunt the same animals with the same rules.

This IMO is not a gun ownership issue at all.

 

[kidoggy]

I will say, people say they will do things all the time but seldom follow through.
a few crazies actually do, but most don't.
unless folks are really willing to trade their liberty for safety (which sadly ,most today are) we cannot really prosecute for a crime that MIGHT be committed.
start doing that and very few will escape the reach of "justice."

armed security in schools is the single most logical , idea I have yet to see anyone put forth but it seems that those who "CLAIM" to care about children ,will not allow it.


AIN'T HONESTY GRAND

 

[kidoggy]

First prayers for the deceased and their familys.

Agree with all the comments above with regards to the schools. A strong defense is an overwhelmingly strong offense.

I know this will ruffle some feathers....but....this is domestic terrorism that could have been prevented. The inter web changes everything and I believe users give away some of their privacy rights when using it. There are too many rules that the government must follow when it comes to spying on US citizens or any other people in the boundaries of US controlled territory.
The individual that did the horrible thing had an electronic signature on the web that should have been caught (sounds like it was reported). Just like an international terrorist that gets hunted, we need to hunt the same animals with the same rules.

This IMO is not a gun ownership issue at all.

NO ,YOUR RIGHT,IT IS NOT.it is a question of our societys values issue.

 

[RICMIC]

I believe that the expansive social media use, and 24/7 news that sensationalizes everything is a big part of the problem. I won't repeat the names, but I still know who the Columbine shooters were. Them, the recent shooter, and a new one arrested in Everett, Wash. (turned in by his grandmother before he acted), all wanted to be famous and use the previous "body count record" as a goal to shoot for. These perpetrators need to be "disappeared" upon their arrest, no names, faces, facebook posts. GITMO or a tiny cell in a reopened Alcatraz sounds right to me. Better yet, turn him over to one or several of the parents of the victims and ask no questions afterwords.
Although there are a lot more guns now, fewer people own them. When I was a kid in the 60's, every family I knew owned firearms, our firearms safety training was always in the school, and we had a gun range in the basement of the grade school. A teacher was even our gun club/shooting advisor. In the fall hunting season, many of us had our .22s or shotguns in the car to head out hunting straight from school. I used to walk 2 miles through the whole town with an uncased .22 to go to the dump to shoot rats, and the local sheriff (and Boy Scout leader) would give me a ride when he saw me. no one ever called, complained, or thought that it was unusual (as far as I know). Oh how times have changed.

 

[kidoggy]

I believe that the expansive social media use, and 24/7 news that sensationalizes everything is a big part of the problem. I won't repeat the names, but I still know who the Columbine shooters were. Them, the recent shooter, and a new one arrested in Everett, Wash. (turned in by his grandmother before he acted), all wanted to be famous and use the previous "body count record" as a goal to shoot for. These perpetrators need to be "disappeared" upon their arrest, no names, faces, facebook posts. GITMO or a tiny cell in a reopened Alcatraz sounds right to me. Better yet, turn him over to one or several of the parents of the victims and ask no questions afterwords.
Although there are a lot more guns now, fewer people own them. When I was a kid in the 60's, every family I knew owned firearms, our firearms safety training was always in the school, and we had a gun range in the basement of the grade school. A teacher was even our gun club/shooting advisor. In the fall hunting season, many of us had our .22s or shotguns in the car to head out hunting straight from school. I used to walk 2 miles through the whole town with an uncased .22 to go to the dump to shoot rats, and the local sheriff (and Boy Scout leader) would give me a ride when he saw me. no one ever called, complained, or thought that it was unusual (as far as I know). Oh how times have changed.

that also helps explain the increase in shootings .
the whiny lil b#t%h boys that do these things lack the guts to take on an armed opponent.

yup ,I call em what they are . if more folks would , maybe, just maybe they would lose the urge to be famous for being a whiny lil b$t%h boy.

 

[mnhoundman]

that also helps explain the increase in shootings .
the whiny lil b#t%h boys that do these things lack the guts to take on an armed opponent.

yup ,I call em what they are . if more folks would , maybe, just maybe they would lose the urge to be famous for being a whiny lil b$t%h boy.

Hahaha, right on!!
We can't say it how it is anymore or how it should be. We get in trouble for that, we need to stand up and give um a slap, whip this damned country back into shape! And oh yeah Trump is trying his damndest! To many of those b"*';h boys buckin him, pathetic people!

People that have children or are taking care of children need some of the blame, of course sometime there is nothing you can do , but it's time to start trying a little harder?

 

[kidoggy]

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[go_deep]

Train, and arm the adults in the schools. Teachers, aids, secretaries, janitors. Anyone who is willing to carry, give then an extra $10-$20 a day, do quarterly range times. Get around 25%+ of the staff trained, and carrying makes it pretty tough to hardly get in the door with a gun anymore.

 

[kidoggy]

D rep swalwell FROM CALIF was on cavuto live, on fox network, this morn claiming we need to ban ARs because the bullets fly faster from them.??


seems to me ,if that is true (and it must be, because a member of congress said it was so) every teacher who wishes to have one should be so armed.

then we have the crazy, psycho , mother who lost her child . all emotion and no rational thought, crying for trump to do something , anything ! I understand she lost her child and that is a horrible thing but I must say ,I am losing my sympathy for these nutcases.


there emotional reactions ,do not contribute to the "honest " discussions we are supposed to be having.

 

[kidoggy]

another example of the lefts "honesty in the matter.
and by all means ,don't take the word of others ,look into it.

Michael Bloomberg's anti-gun group "Everytown for Gun Safety" provided the statistic for the 18 school shootings so far in 2018. It counts everything from suicides in the school parking lot to accidental discharges on school property.
I can understand the media en masse latching on to the misleading numbers, but I don't see how a serious gun owner could be duped unless there is no understanding how the left works.also most of those 18 were accidental discharges, stray rounds that hit the school building, the suicide on the parking lot was an abandoned school building that wasn't used, totaled 3 shootings.




yup ,more fuzzy facts or " fake news" from the left who would have us bring a pencil to a gun fight.

 

[RyanT]

Why do people do bad things?
Why are people thieves? Is it a mental disease? Lack of parenting? Bad media?
Why do people drive recklessly?
Why do people cheat on their spouses?
Why do people break their commitments?
Why do people abuse drugs?
Why do people lie?

There are a thousand things that people do that hurt society and the other people around them, and 100 thousand little mini reasons why.

 

[6mm Remington]

Gov. Bevin made these comments during a discussion. Well worth the 8 minutes to listen to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6XTVuUP0Ho&feature=youtu.be

 

[Bonecollector]

6mm - I heard this on the radio this morning. Excellent comment. I was not impressed with the woman you asked the question, nor her body language which he calls out in his response.