I am Pissed

gspman

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Our camp had a terrible elk camp this year. We get to Idaho, set up camp. the next morning while we are cutting camp wood for the stoves the day before the bull elk season start .
A whit truck pulls up with a USFS shield on the door. We dont think much of it because we usually get official visitor's every year.
This woman steps out and heads over to us and says hi. She then proceeds to tell us that she is part of a "Elk Habitat Restoration crew" They have this project which involves the ridge complex that we are camping in and planning on hunting tmro (the opener)
She informed us that this project has been funded by the "REMF" and is scheduled to start tmro morning.

Ok so are internal warning bells are going off loud and clear.

So We asked what exactly does your crew do, and what does this project entail. She informed us that they are going to be burning all the Dark timber on the front and back side of commissary ridge between the the 2 roads that provide the access to the area.
She proceeded to tell us of the advance planning and the conditional requirements that allow them to complete the project.
So long story short, the next morning 5 white pickups, with enclosed trailers, 4 whlrs set up camp night next to us.
The set off up the hill to do some test burns. (this is opening morning, mind you)

The fires they started didn't appear to be to bad, so we are thinking we might be able to salvage the season by moving around them a bit, heck the might even push some elk out of the timber for us.
That was until day #2, it started the same way with the USFS folks heading up the hill to set some more fires.
But before noon.... the helicopter showed up. It had a big tank slung under it on a cable.

A little later after it was fueled and filled on another hill opposite of commissary ridge, it started flying missions
flying at tree top level dropping friggen napalm all over the place.

So for 2 days of helicopters flying droppin napalm, and burning timber above us. None of us saw an animal.
they left In the evening hours of the following friday not to be seen again. With tree's still burning furiously above us all night.

Needless to say that my $902 it cost for tags, the $650 it cost in fuel to drive from Wisconsin, $200 food was a total waste.

I would like to be re-imbursed, anybody have any idea's:mad:

Thx in advance for my long post
 

Colorado Cowboy

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I would call the F & G department and ask if they knew about this situation. Here in Colorado they do controlled burns and do it after there is some fall moisture, but they usually put out notices to the public well in advance. The real meat of is if they know in advance.
 

ivorytip

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tex creek? that sucks man, would've told ya where else to go if I knew you were having those probs. that's a bummer deal
 

TimberJunkie

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I have hunted close to controlled Burns before and found it nice. The smoke dulls their senses. I have had no problems like that before. I understand you're mad, but that's how land management goes sometimes. I will be the devile advocate here. I have moved 150 to 200 miles before in a half day to change my secenery, nobody will reimburse you for that.

Hopefully it works out better in the future.
 

wa-hunter

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ya don't see any reimbursement... i would have just packed up camp and found a new area. i am sure the forest service guys could have pointed you in the right direction.
 

Slugz

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FYSA here in Colorado those type of burns are published 6-8 months ahead of time from what I've seen. I'd also be surprised the RMEF and local authorities didn't put out the info well in advance. There is a lot of legal checks in the block that has to happen before habitat improvement projects can go forward. One is the notifications to public. That being said, another reason why if your coming from out of state you need to be in contact with the local game warden/DOW/NFS office constantly. Timing of these projects is usually weather driven. I know that doesn't solve this years issues just passing along a plan for follow out years. Sorry to hear about all that.
 

sleepymoewi

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That's BS either way, you don't start the burn on opening day. Do it in the spring under the same conditions
 

ivorytip

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its a sucky situation but that's how burns work, they try and avoid high impact areas but when an area needs a burn the fall is the best time to do it. every year someone's hunting area will be a burn zone. I was up there during that commissary burn, were you camped at the bottom by mane rd? we ended up killing a big buck back near the burn. elk were nowhere to be seen though, found a bunch in fall creek area though. if that ever happens with you again, if possible get on here and ask for help, if you don't really know certain areas, there are plenty of us on here that would've gladly helped ya out. sorry for the bad hunt man.
 

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Predicting the actual day of a prescribed fire is difficult due to weather and fuels conditions. Additionally, approval from the Idaho, Montana and Wyoming smoke monitoring agencies is required. These criteria have to occur at the same time in order for the Districts to implement the prescribed fire. If weather and fuel conditions do not allow for ignition, the Forest Service will continue to monitor conditions for an extended clear weather pattern that will meet the combination of fuel moisture, temperature, wind, and smoke dispersal conditions necessary for the prescribed burn.

As such, on the actual day of ignition orange highway signs will be posted in the vicinity of the prescribed burns as well as Forest Service roads and trails to inform residents & visitors of the planned ignition that day.

The Idaho Department of Fish and Game, Wyoming Department of Game and Fish and Caribou-Targhee National Forest cooperated in the development of these prescribed fire burn projects which are intended to meet the primary objectives for reducing conifer encroachment within aspen stands, promoting aspen regeneration, reducing dead and down fuel accumulations, and rejuvenate mountain brush which will improve wildlife habitat. For more information, contact the Palisades Ranger District at 208-523-1412 or Teton Basin Ranger District office at 208-354-2312.




USDA forest service web site.
 

gspman

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I asked the women if any notifcations were posted or published, the was a notice placed in the ID Falls newspaper and a sigh was placed on Skyline and at Bear creek the day they entered the area.
Other than that no.

Ivorytip
Yes that was our camp at the base of commissary, No internet there though... heck cant even get a cell phone signal until we get to the top of skyline.
 

ivorytip

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Yeah that stinks, even though its hard to predict exact dates, they should, on their website say what areas will be burned within that year and give date estimates. did you guys go back by fourth of july ridge at all? I assume it was chuck full of camps before the rain and snow moved in. use to love hunting that area off of commissary ridge, scored a lot of beautiful animals back in there. seen my first wolf back in there too. people have taken it over though.
 

Gr8bawana

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Your situation certainly sucked. Like someone mentioned before I would have asked those forest service people about somewhere else to go in your unit. I would not have stayed in an area with so much activity.
 

amoor983

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Prescribed fire is an EXTREMELY important management tool. In fact, in some landscapes it is as essential as rain and sunshine in maintaining ecological stability. It also can completely prevent wild fires. Is it the best choice to burn on elk opener? Probably not, but often there are only a few days per year when the conditions are right for a prescribed fire, so managers take advantage. Weather can only be predicted a few days in advance, so there is not a lot of time to inform the public. Consider that the national cost for wildfire every year is in the billions, and you can see why they would burn on elk opener. Did you call the forest service to ask about conditions in the area? Did you have a plan B? When you hunt public land you are at the mercy of the public, and public land managers. Go back there next year; that is where the elk will be. They probably walked right back in after the ashes cooled.
 

Gr8bawana

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I have seen deer that were black after rolling in the ashes after a fire here in NV. The fire happened only a few days earlier. Of course we all know how deer and elk flock to an area when it starts to green upagain.
 

Tim McCoy

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I watched deer head into a burn area on blm here in OR, wild fire, where there were still hot spots smoldering. The fire fighters had moved on just the day before and were working about 3 miles away. No idea why. The elk we had pre scouted in the same area, left and did not return during the season. Possibly they react differently to a burn or maybe just in this case. Ruined our elk hunt, but sure could have taken a nice buck.
 

Sawfish

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It certainly seems that someone knew when this burn would occur, and the DFG should have made a better effort to notify hunters. Better still, they should have delayed the burning until after the season had closed. Just my 2cents.