you got to love those guys, I just keep waiting for their rod to break when the big one hits! I bought a temple fork spin rod a few years ago, (best spin rod ever) I love this rod! a guy at work seen me ordering it and he wanted me to order him one too. a week after they came in the mail he called me and said the rod was a POS, I was like what in the world are you talking about, you wont find a better spin rod. he said it snapped in half! he said he snagged up on river bottom and it snapped. IDIOT! turns out he had 20, yes 20Lb line on it! I said due, this isn't a sturgeon rod, no more than 6 lb line belongs on it. that was a $200 mistake for him!