another utah elk question

toddt

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I have been applying for 11 years now for Utah elk - I have 11 elk points in Utah. In those first couple years I envisioned the monster elk that were coming out of the state and I applied for the few very well known trophy units. Obviously that didn't work, so I started to apply for "decent" units. At the head of the pack was the Wasatch. Manti was running a close second if not even, as far as desirable units. As a whole, I have 38 elk points spread out between Colorado, Wyoming, Utah and Arizona, and I have grown tired of playing the points game. Of course I don't want to just throw what I have built up away, but I would like to cash in and go on a few good hunts.

The problem right now is with all of the late cow hunts on several decent units, I am fearful that these hunts have decimated the possible quality of a hunt there. The three hunts I have looked seriously at are Wasatch, Fish Lake, and Manti. Actually Wasatch is at the top of the list, but it seems I have heard more feedback that the late cow hunts have really hurt the numbers, and the quality of the hunt. Plus, due to my desire to hunt the muzzleloader hunt - I guess desire is an inaccurate term and the most likely due to points required would be a better statement - it is a concern that Wasatch puts out more tags than any other unit, followed by Manti, to the early rifle hunters. So after being pushed so hard, it is tough to think that this would be a fun and quality hunt - but I seem to hear that it is an enjoyable hunt from most who have hunted those units during those

Anyway, I guess what I am asking is, is there anyone out there that could offer good advice? A private message might be best, but whatever you are comfortable with. As mentioned, I would prefer to get out of the points race, but the only reasonable way to do this would be to draw a decent unit. The biggest reason that I want to be careful this year is, with each passing year, the population of elk on some of these units will only get worse, then, if I choose wrong right now, it will be almost 3 years before I go hunting, and would rather hunt sooner than later.

So, any help is greatly appreciated. I am also open to other suggestions, but feel that at my point level, the three mentioned are probably the most likely to draw - though anything is possible, as last year there was one person with 11 points that applied for Wasatch that didn't draw, and then, one of the three with 10 points did draw a top point tag - which made no sense to me, the fact that someone could not draw in their point pool to then have someone in the next lower level point pool draw, and all of these tags were top point pool tags, whatever they are called.

Thanks for your time and any help, Todd.
 

RUTTIN

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Todd the Wasatch can still be a great hunt. You just got to get away from the more popular areas and get away from other people. There are still plenty of elk out there and mature Bulls. The quality has gone down hill but a 330 bull is very doable.


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PointsHunter

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Sounds like you're not thrilled with chasing them with a smoke pole. I think at your points you could draw the Wasatch Late hunt. Some very decent bulls make it thru every year. You may want to consider that alternative.

One other thought... If you are looking to burn your Co, Az and Wyo points also - then maybe start with those states. Not sure where you are sitting, but for example I'd much rather hold onto 10 UT points then 10 Co points. Maybe burn those off first.
 

Silentstalker

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Oct 26, 2013
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Todd,
First off, a couple of my thoughts on your original post now that I am home.
The guy who did not draw in the top pool of eleven was probably paired up with someone with less points which is why he did not draw. No biggee.
This year would be the very best year of any possibilities to draw the muzzleloader tag. With the early dates, it places the muzzy season right in the heat of the rut.
The late wasatch is a great hunt. You get to look over a lot of bulls. They are normally bunched up in bachelor groups and can be a very successful hunt if you put in the time. Last two years I know 4 guys who all killed 350+ bulls.
Last, the cow hunts have definitely put a dent in the overall herd but that has nothing to do with the mature bulls. We will not see the effects of the herd reduction for at least three more years. I would not let that scare you off.
I would say if your willing to shot a 320+ bull then the wasatch or manti would be tremendous hunts on the muzzy. I would probably take a manti over the wasatch but its pretty much a tossup. Fish lake is solid to but I know much less about that hunt.
On the late hunt I would do wasatch. Much easier unit to hunt late.

Pointshunter brings up a great thought. If your looking for a Utah rut hunt, do Colorado and Wy first then go for Utah. Its tough as a NR but your odds get better each year.

Just a thought or two.
 

toddt

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Thanks greatly for the advice. Actually, I really like hunting with the muzzleloader. Actually of the half dozen bulls I have killed all but two were killed with the muzzleloader. As far as the actual muzzleloader season in Utah, on one hand, I like it better than most any other season because of the dates. It seems perfect for the rut. The only downside is the fact that two hunting seasons have just past, and it starts right on the heels of the early rifle hunt. But as with anything in life, sometimes you have to give up something to get something, meaning, I could go with a better end unit, or an early rifle hunt, but most likely I will have to give up at least five years to do so, maybe more. Even then, nothing is guaranteed.

As far as using my points in the other states, I have 16 in Colorado and can go most anywhere except the northwest and 61 and I am on the heels of a second rifle season in unit 61, and being that close, I think the plan is to hang in there for unit 61. Though 76 is high on the list, and I do have more options there. The main problem I see with Utah, and the reason I would really like to draw a tag there is, the tag numbers are so low that if I held out for something like San Juan, sure, I could draw this year, but it could take - and the way my luck has been running in the past several years, this is most likely the case - 10 or more years to draw a tag.

Plus, I am plenty fine with chasing 300 inch bulls. And from what I understand, the Wasatch can offer that, I was just primarily concerned about the large antlerless harvest. And has been mentioned, I realize that it will be a few years before this makes a huge difference in the quantity of bulls, but I was under the impression that the cow slaughters had been going on for about five or six years now. Actually on a positive note, fewer cows may create a better quality rut - a better bull/cow ratio.

Anyway, I definitely appreciate the advice and the thoughts. Thanks.
 

Silentstalker

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Good luck! 300 inch bulls can be found easily on any Utah LE unit. 320 is a typical herd bull on the wasatch. Sounds like your close to having multiple years of great elk hunting!
 

SansSouci

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Todd,

I hunted bull elk last year in a premium area. I had a whole lot of bonus points. I'm glad I waited. I saw big bulls every day. I shot a huge 7x7 bull on the second day of my hunt.

My advice is to not compromise. Keep applying in premium areas. Even if it takes you 10 more years, you'll be glad you waited.

I see the quality of Utah's bulls increasing. But you have to stay realistic. Even in the best of the best areas, you won't find a 400 bull behind every tree. But you'll probably turn down a lot of 360 bulls.
 

Elkhunter96

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I'd look to some of the other units. I'm not a big Wasatch unit fan. They kill a few good ones, but quality has dropped off dramatically. The percentage of 330+ bulls coming off there versus the amount of LE tags issued isn't impressive to me. Way too many tags and way too close to SLC. You also have to deal with all the general deer muzzy hunters on that unit.

I'd look at units like sw Deseret, book cliffs, boulder units, fish lake, even the la sal is getting better.