Best all around gun

Colorado Cowboy

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Well put Musket Man. It all comes down to individual needs. 400yds is about it for me as well. Oh I've been known to "go long" in the past,but I'm not as into that sort of thing as I was 25 years ago. The big hammers are being rotated out of the safe as well. As I get older,recoil is more noticeable. A session with the 300 Ultra or the T3 338 leaves me with a 3 day hangover and stiff neck. Good old Arthur Itis is making himself known to me. So,why punish myself and shorten my good years afield? I could very easily settle down with a good 270 Win. I've always been a fan of the round. My daughter is currently using my wife"s old 270 to take her venison every year. I lean a little more toward the 30/06 myself. Same basic list of credentials as the 270. The 06 isn't perfect for every circumstance either,but inside 400 yds it comes pretty close. As does the 270,280,308,7 Rem Mag, and a host of other proven chamberings. Unless you have a specific quarry that you feel requires a specific round. My thoughts are find the "Rifle" that you want to spend your time afield with. Brand,model,barrel length,weight.Then choose the chambering in that rifle that best fits your needs. If you're determined to have a .30 Slam-a-bam-a-Wow,and it's only offered in a rifle that is too heavy for your taste,and doesn't fit you well,it's a loosing proposition from the word go. Find a rifle that is an extension of your body,that you love to carry and shoot,it doesn't need to be a fire breathing monster to take game at reasonable yardages.
Well said my man! I love my Ruger M77 in 25-06 for everything deer sized and smaller. If I didn't have a muzzle brake on my .300 Wby, I'd be shooting my 30-06 on everything else. I do like the Wby because it is flatter shooting with a 180/200 gr bullet than the 30-06. I could get by with 2 rifles and be very happy. I'm over 70 now and the lighter rifles I have are sure a lot easier to carry and have recoil that I can live with.
 

packmule

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the short mag will DRT them at 600 w/ 140gr ABs...witnessed that on some cows a cpl years ago. Could the person have gotten closer? Sure... but cows were about to cross a road.
 

BobT

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No, it's not. I could post links all day long of elk that were killed at long range with a 6mm but it still doesn't make it a good choice.
I have to agree with this and I'm a .270 lover from way back. My thoughts in recommending what I did were that by the time the OP was competent enough to shoot at something 700 yards away that he would realize a light weight rifle was not the correct tool for the job. On an elk sized animal at long range (lets say over 400 yards for the sake of argument) I would want a minimum of .30 caliber and a heavy for caliber bullet, the rifle wouldn't be a light weight either.

Bob
 

Old Hunter

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Over 1500lbs of energy isn't enough to kill an elk? Not if you hit it in the ass it's not, but it sure is through the lungs. Then again, I don't think 700 yd shots should be taken by everybody who thinks they can do them.

Maybe using a caliber that won't work at 700 yds will make you a better hunter.
 

Elkoholic307

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This thread isn't about whether or not a 270 will kill an elk. It's titled, "Best All Around Gun" and the OP wants enough punch to kill elk out to 700 yards. If you seriously think the 270 Win is it, then by all means keep suggesting it. But, I still couldn't disagree more. There are so many better options out there, it would be silly to settle on the 270 Win when that is your goal.
 

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I might agree if he asked for just elk, but he wants one gun for elk to antelope. He's really asking for a compromise gun, and I feel the .270 fits that perfect.

Hopefully, he won't really need to take those 700 yd shots.
 

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I don't plan on shooting anything at 700 yard but it's about having the ability and the confidence in the rifle that you have on your back. I hope that I only have to shoot animals out to 300 yards. I take whitetail at this distance with my 22-250 so I know it's all about shot placement. Knowing this if a true monster steps out at 700 yards that I can't get closer to I want a rifle in my hand that I can take him home with.
 

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Knowing this if a true monster steps out at 700 yards that I can't get closer to I want a rifle in my hand that I can take him home with.
Knowing you have a capable rifle in your hands plays a much smaller part in a successful 700 yard shot than knowing the rifle is in capable hands.






Edit: I can see the beginning of the end to this thread...
 

Old Hunter

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I don't plan on shooting anything at 700 yard but it's about having the ability and the confidence in the rifle that you have on your back. I hope that I only have to shoot animals out to 300 yards. I take whitetail at this distance with my 22-250 so I know it's all about shot placement. Knowing this if a true monster steps out at 700 yards that I can't get closer to I want a rifle in my hand that I can take him home with.

Getting a 700yd shot on antelope is pretty normal. Mulies too. In the link I posted one guy took an elk at 865 yds with a .270, so it's safe to say it will work fine at 700 yds. The problem with the bigger magnums is it's going to tear up the smaller animals you want to hunt. It's your choice though.
 

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This thread isn't about whether or not a 270 will kill an elk. It's titled, "Best All Around Gun" and the OP wants enough punch to kill elk out to 700 yards. If you seriously think the 270 Win is it, then by all means keep suggesting it. But, I still couldn't disagree more. There are so many better options out there, it would be silly to settle on the 270 Win when that is your goal.
+1. Good point Elkoholic. Absolutely there are much better rigs for 700 yd shots at big heavy game. Goals are what drive us to continue improving as marksmen and hunters. As long as the person setting these goals has gone to a 1,000 yd range and taken a good hard look at what 700 yards is. Cut a piece of cardboard the size of elk vitals. Then start learning what kind of drop and drift it takes to hit that 16 or 18" square. Having a mountain weight rig chambered in the caliber for that task isn;t going to be a sure thing in anyone's hands. The "just in case" rifle isn't going to ideal for a high percentage shot,in field conditions,at 700 yds. A dedicated long range rig is going to be heavy. You are going to know your drift and drop figures. If you don't know about wind flags,you should pick up a set. There are folks out there that don't believe the 338 Edge is effected by wind. Lots of things working against even seasoned marksmen beyond 400 yards,with toting weight rifles. Along the lines of the best all around gun this it in a nut shell. In the rifle that you want to carry. Up hill and down. Loaded pack and all. You have to be able to put your shots in that 18" square under field conditions. If you can do it with an 8.5 lb 340 Weatherby, 300 Ultra,338 Ultra or 338 Edge then that is the rig to run with. If you don't like the recoil in this configuration you have 2 choices. More weight or a milder round. At what yardage you loose the vital accuracy/kenetic energy becomes your practical hunting range for taking game. I'm not trying to be a smart a-hole,but these are the things folks tend to forget when taking a desperation poke at a critter once every 5 years. I don't care to carry around the scope and rifle necessary to close the deal should one walk out at 700. No offense intended in any way. Just my 2 cents.
 

packmule

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Getting a 700yd shot on antelope is pretty normal. Mulies too. In the link I posted one guy took an elk at 865 yds with a .270, so it's safe to say it will work fine at 700 yds. The problem with the bigger magnums is it's going to tear up the smaller animals you want to hunt. It's your choice though.

I've shot a ton of our "rabbit-size" deer with a 300wm bc that's been my choice of rifle since I was 12; it really doesn't tear them up any worse than a 270. I see worse out of 22-250-like & 257Roy, the soft tissue just can't tolerate that kind of speed.
 

87TT

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I'm sorry but 700 or really 400 yard shots aren't "hunting", that's just "killing". I have a Ruger m77r 30 06 with a plain old 2x7 scope. 34 years it hasn't let me down. Several elk and I've lost count of the deer. I did replace the stock with a Bell&Carlson synthetic stock about 30 years ago.
 

Elkoholic307

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Then I should return the hunting licenses I bought back to Game & Fish and ask for killing licenses instead.

Let's try and stay on topic and leave personal views and ethics out of this thread for once.