2015 Elk hunt

akrem44

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So looking for the best option for a 2015 otc diy elk hunt. I understand putting in days and hours of hiking and calling are on hand just trying to find the best percentage for the areas. I do understand CO has the biggest elk herd. Just trying to see everyones thoughts on where they think the best place to start would be. Bow hunting only
 

buckykm1

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My suggestion would be to get on the CO. hunting web site and do some research, all the stats are there. and tons of info on every unit.

Kevin
 

gonhunting247

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MT general tag has a ton of options, as well as a few areas that they bunched together in the special draw for archery that sound kind of promising. CO, ID and WY would also be on my list to check out. I mostly rifle and muzzle loader hunt, but those are the ones I've been looking at.
 

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Welcome to the site! Wyoming is out because it will take at least 1 or 2 years of Preference Points to draw just about any bull tag there unless you go into the higher priced Special Draw that is over $1000. Cow tags are easy to obtain in many areas though. Idaho has OTC tags in some areas on a first come first served basis and I believe they may have already started selling them or will be soon for next year. Colorado has OTC tags for bulls during certain seasons, but most units will have a ton of hunters if you don't get well away from roads. Please be aware that the further you get from human activity the better chance you'll have most of the time to see elk. It's not very easy to "motel it" and have a good elk hunt. Montana may be your best bet because there have been leftover tags after the draw the last couple years when they did away with the outfitter sponsored licenses and also raised the license fees. You do need to realize that if you go on a DIY hunt and happen to get an animal or two that you'll have a lot of meat to bring out of the field on your back. Elk are huge animals compared to deer and it's a ton of work getting one out. I'm 67 and in better shape than most my age and helped on a 330" bull a friend took 2 miles from the truck on the far side of a deep canyon in Wyoming this past season. We made one uphill packout with the two of us and then it took 4 of us to make the second packout with the rest of the meat and head. That took the entire day from daylight to dark the day after he shot it late in the evening. Thank goodness the weather was turning cold and allowed that because just a few days before that it was warm and the meat could have been hard to save without doing the packout all night right after the kill. If you don't think you are up to something like that, IMHO you'd better either pay for a guided hunt or possibly a drop camp where an outfitter will take you in to a camp and bring you and any animals you take back out. Good luck on whatever you decide to do!
 
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huntingmontana16

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MT has the OTC Elk tags. The good thing about MT is with a General Elk tag, you have the whole state to hunt elk, excluding a few "Trophy" districts. You will definitely want to read the regs closely. The bad thing about MT is there is a ton of private land. During archery season, you can still find elk on the public land. From what I have seen/heard this season, the elk is SW MT pretty much bail to private as soon as the rifle season starts and finding them on public land takes allot of time and patience.

MT does have a very useful tool to research though. It's called the hunt planner. It's a map that shows all the different types of land (private, NF, BLM etc) It will also give you statistics for units but keep in mind they are not always the most accurate because allot of the "High success" hunt districts show a high success because of FWP check stations. Heres a link:

http://fwp.mt.gov/hunting/planahunt/

If you have the time/money and want a big trophy elk, Arizona has some of if not the best elk in the country. The tags there are draw only and drawing an archery bull tag is like winning the lottery, but well worth it. If you spend the time scouting and know what you are doing, a 350 bull is an easy find and kill. Depending on the unit, a 400+ bull is not out of the question.
 

buckykm1

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MT has the OTC Elk tags. The good thing about MT is with a General Elk tag, you have the whole state to hunt elk, excluding a few "Trophy" districts. You will definitely want to read the regs closely. The bad thing about MT is there is a ton of private land. During archery season, you can still find elk on the public land. From what I have seen/heard this season, the elk is SW MT pretty much bail to private as soon as the rifle season starts and finding them on public land takes allot of time and patience.

MT does have a very useful tool to research though. It's called the hunt planner. It's a map that shows all the different types of land (private, NF, BLM etc) It will also give you statistics for units but keep in mind they are not always the most accurate because allot of the "High success" hunt districts show a high success because of FWP check stations. Heres a link:

http://fwp.mt.gov/hunting/planahunt/

If you have the time/money and want a big trophy elk, Arizona has some of if not the best elk in the country. The tags there are draw only and drawing an archery bull tag is like winning the lottery, but well worth it. If you spend the time scouting and know what you are doing, a 350 bull is an easy find and kill. Depending on the unit, a 400+ bull is not out of the question.


Montana only has over the counter tags for Residents.
For non-res it is a draw tag. dead line to apply is March 15th.
unless they have left over tags after the draw.

Kevin
 

Topgun 30-06

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MT has the OTC Elk tags. The good thing about MT is with a General Elk tag, you have the whole state to hunt elk, excluding a few "Trophy" districts. You will definitely want to read the regs closely. The bad thing about MT is there is a ton of private land. During archery season, you can still find elk on the public land. From what I have seen/heard this season, the elk is SW MT pretty much bail to private as soon as the rifle season starts and finding them on public land takes allot of time and patience.

MT does have a very useful tool to research though. It's called the hunt planner. It's a map that shows all the different types of land (private, NF, BLM etc) It will also give you statistics for units but keep in mind they are not always the most accurate because allot of the "High success" hunt districts show a high success because of FWP check stations. Heres a link:

http://fwp.mt.gov/hunting/planahunt/

If you have the time/money and want a big trophy elk, Arizona has some of if not the best elk in the country. The tags there are draw only and drawing an archery bull tag is like winning the lottery, but well worth it. If you spend the time scouting and know what you are doing, a 350 bull is an easy find and kill. Depending on the unit, a 400+ bull is not out of the question.
Just a couple comments on what I bolded from the previous post. Montana does not have OTC tags for NRs for elk. They are draw only and if there are tags that are leftover then they are sold on a first come first served basis similar to Wyoming. It will be almost impossible to draw an AZ tag for any decent unit without a ton of points that will take years unless you get real lucky in the draw the way they issue their tags.
 

akrem44

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Thank you for all of your input! I am leaning towards ID and CO . I do realize that i will be putting in 20+miles to get to a decent area to find some good elk. With my back ground it will be easier for me than most. Also if i buy a OTC tag in CO is it good for all units if i am archery only? same goes for ID?
 

Topgun 30-06

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Thank you for all of your input! I am leaning towards ID and CO . I do realize that i will be putting in 20+miles to get to a decent area to find some good elk. With my back ground it will be easier for me than most. Also if i buy a OTC tag in CO is it good for all units if i am archery only? same goes for ID?
And what pray tell would your background be that would make it easier for you than most? You have no idea what you're getting into when you have a bull down and miles to get it out at elevation and the areas they live in. Fill us in on how you could make a statement like that when you've never elk hunted before please! Look in the CO and ID websites to answer your last question, as the answers are right there with a few minutes of reading!
 
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akrem44

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I have worked on a hotshot crew fighting fires for the USFS for 9+ years hiking in 15+ miles with over 100lbs on my back to then start working for 16 hours on a regular basis. Not to mention the temp could be 116+ at times and elevations up to 14k+ feet with fire on your ass at anytime. I have fought fire in some of the same country hunters go today to kill these majestic animals. Eating MREs as well as sleeping on the ground with nothing but a sleeping bag. We don't get to choose are breaks we work till the mission is complete. I never said i was better than anyone but with my back ground being in the woods fighting fire on a daily basis in some of the most arduous conditions I think I would be better suited than some of the other hunters out there. I have hunted in some of the same areas these elk go but have never hunted elk. I am a country boy and do know what hard work is, I never once said it would be easy just that my background would be better suited than most but i may be wrong. I do on the other hand thank you for the information you have provided to me it will not go unnoticed.
 

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Good response concerning your fitness akrem. I've done a lot of really tough and over the top stuff in my life, but fire-fighting is without a doubt the toughest. As a practical matter though, archery season will generally be during some warm weather and your window to get an elk out may be limited to one or two trips. I was at 10-11K feet in Colorado during the MZL season (after archery), and the temps. got in the upper 70's every afternoon. It is hard to get a few extra guys to come along what with jobs, $, family, etc.
You might want to get a cow tag, find one other stud like yourself, and plan on a great exploratory adventure in the mountains. Two of you could pack out a boned out cow in one trip, (no cape or antlers to weigh you down). Get the meat to a pre-arranged meat locker and head back in for the second cow or to pack out the camp. Then you will have a good idea of what you need to do, and had a chance to find out where the bulls are hiding. You could do the same on a deer hunt, except it will be tougher to draw a tag in Co. or Wy. with no points. CARPE DIEM
 

buckykm1

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I have worked on a hotshot crew fighting fires for the USFS for 9+ years hiking in 15+ miles with over 100lbs on my back to then start working for 16 hours on a regular basis. Not to mention the temp could be 116+ at times and elevations up to 14k+ feet with fire on your ass at anytime. I have fought fire in some of the same country hunters go today to kill these majestic animals. Eating MREs as well as sleeping on the ground with nothing but a sleeping bag. We don't get to choose are breaks we work till the mission is complete. I never said i was better than anyone but with my back ground being in the woods fighting fire on a daily basis in some of the most arduous conditions I think I would be better suited than some of the other hunters out there. I have hunted in some of the same areas these elk go but have never hunted elk. I am a country boy and do know what hard work is, I never once said it would be easy just that my background would be better suited than most but i may be wrong. I do on the other hand thank you for the information you have provided to me it will not go unnoticed.

I think the point 30-06 was trying to make is.
you won't be making 1 trip with a 100 pounds on your back, it will be more like 5 trips.
and the meat will more than likely be spoiled before you could get it out, being 20 miles in, or even 5 miles in, as far as that goes. being by yourself.
there are a lot of experienced Elk hunters on this site, and what your talking is just plain Crazy. IMHO

Kevin
 

akrem44

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I agree i don't think i could hike out a full bull elk in one trip i do agree that is crazy. i do on the other hand hope it is cold enough that i will be able to make a few trips without having to worry about spoiled meat. Lets just hope if i do become lucky enough to get one i have the weather on my side or i have a friend or 2 with me. I am very thankful for every ones input on this new adventure i am seeking. Wisdom is more valuable than gold imo.
 

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akrem44,

My advice is not to point out to everyone how much more fit you are than they, while attempting to get intel from them.
I'd imagine that you didn't mean to come off that way.
Undoubtedly you are more fit than most, but you might be surprised to learn how fit some of the folks on here are.

The later posters on this thread make great points.
Time is your greatest enemy if you get something down and you have no control over the weather.
It really doesn't matter how fit you are if you cover so much distance that you can't get the meat out responsibly.
 

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I agree i don't think i could hike out a full bull elk in one trip i do agree that is crazy. i do on the other hand hope it is cold enough that i will be able to make a few trips without having to worry about spoiled meat. Lets just hope if i do become lucky enough to get one i have the weather on my side or i have a friend or 2 with me. I am very thankful for every ones input on this new adventure i am seeking. Wisdom is more valuable than gold imo.
Figure on at least 4 trips if you're by yourself and that's boning everything out. If you're talking about going in very many miles by yourself on a backpack hunt and think you can get all that meat out in a typical bow season, you are fooling yourself and need to rethink that alone. You can't just plan a trip praying that the weather is cold like you mentioned, as it's not uncommon for it to be in the 60s or even 70s during the day even at elevation. We actually had some all the way up into the low 90s at 6500 this past season the last half of September. Coincidentally, the fellow I helped pack that 330" bull out 2 miles is only 28, is a cut above most as far as being in shape, and was in the same profession that you are with the BLM until two years ago when he got smart and used his engineering degree to get a well paying field job with a big oil company in Wyoming.
 
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huntingmontana16

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Just a couple comments on what I bolded from the previous post. Montana does not have OTC tags for NRs for elk. They are draw only and if there are tags that are leftover then they are sold on a first come first served basis similar to Wyoming. It will be almost impossible to draw an AZ tag for any decent unit without a ton of points that will take years unless you get real lucky in the draw the way they issue their tags.
Your right top gun, my apologizes. Apparently I miss read the regs on that. And I should have been more specific on "If you have time". I was referring to having the time (or years) to get drawn. I lived and hunted in AZ for all but the last 3 years of my life. I usually would draw an elk tag 2 out of 3 years, but for late cow hunts. I have friends who have been putting in for trophy bull tags for 15-20 years without any luck. That's why I compared it to winning the lottery.
 

Topgun 30-06

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Your right top gun, my apologizes. Apparently I miss read the regs on that. And I should have been more specific on "If you have time". I was referring to having the time (or years) to get drawn. I lived and hunted in AZ for all but the last 3 years of my life. I usually would draw an elk tag 2 out of 3 years, but for late cow hunts. I have friends who have been putting in for trophy bull tags for 15-20 years without any luck. That's why I compared it to winning the lottery.
No problem man! AZ is a great state for hunting and, although it usually takes a ton of points to get a real good tag, a lot of decent hunts can be had in just a few years if you want to hunt other places, do cow hunts like you mentioned, or do late season hunts. I was out there several years ago in 6A helping a buddy on his archery elk hunt near Flagstaff and we had a ball and were into elk 13 of the 14 day season.
 

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You can have horse packers come in and get your elk.....I have 3 on speed dial.....it takes a little research though.
 

COLOelkman

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AK - Just to note a couple things I don't think were answered yet. An OTC tag in CO can typically be an either sex tag or cow tag but the OTC tags are not good for all areas of the State. The regs will show you which ones apply to the OTC tag and there are quite a few, but by no means all of them as there are "trophy" or quality units that would not be applicable. Also you noted getting back 20 miles which I think is way more than necessary and many areas you just can't get 20 miles from a road. However, a general rule of thumb is if you are more than an hour from the road, you will eliminate much of the crowd. More is better but you do need to factor in how long it will take to get the meat out. As TG noted, 4 packs of boned meat would be normal for an average sized elk and that'd probably be 80-90 lb packs. Personally I try to keep coolers with block ice in the vehicle to be able to store the meat as you shuttle meat to the vehicle. There are other threads on other tricks to cool meat down so ice is not the only solution but one that I typically use. Also, if you are a firefighter, I'd not be worried about general conditioning, not to say you still won't get tired and it certainly depends on how long you plan to hunt. If you're coming from CA, the altitude also can hit you so you'd not want to overdo it early but work your way into hunting hard as time goes on. Getting to altitude a couple days early can also help. Again, it depends on how long you plan to hunt but you just don't want to get too drained right at the start and ruin the rest of your hunt. Good luck in your pursuit and keep asking questions as most people are glad to help out!